metalbrew Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 The LoS tool from CMx1 is gone. Now the preferred way is to use the targeting tool. While a bit buggy at times (like on reverse slopes) it works OK. If you have an unarmed unit, such as a Recon HMMWV, you can't use the targeting tool though. In that situation you're out of luck, it's simply not an available option in the menu. "No LoS planning for you". I thought the situation was dripping irony though, here I had a Recon unit that was unable to do Recon... [ August 01, 2007, 03:13 AM: Message edited by: metalbrew ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDork Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 The LOS tool has been replaced by the targetting function. edit: D'oh... reading comprehension... gotta remember not to post less than 5 minutes after waking up. Good point and something BFC should look into. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Krejcirik Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 I noticed a case where the LOS tool is really missing, a transport vehicle like Humvee doesn't have the Target order available. It can spot well though, not sure how realistic it is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronn Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 The LOS-tool not only is for LOS. It was a good tool for terrain analyzes. I expected more LOS-tools, to get a better big picture from the 3D battlefield on a flat 2D computer monitor. For example: Conquest of the Aegan has three LOS-Tools. But overal,CM:SF is a very good game with much potenzial. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomm Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Originally posted by Ronn: It was a good tool for terrain analyzes. Exactly! All the terrain-hugging lines were a great aid in this respect! Best regards, Thomm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomm Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Muahh. Double post! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roter Stern Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Anothe issue is that there is no way to bring up the Target command while in the Editor's 3D view... so the scenario designer cant be dynamically moving units in the editor and checking their LOS 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huhr Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 i agree with these posts i liked the line of sight tool in cm1, perhaps that can be incorporated into a patch 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonar Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Originally posted by The Louch: Anothe issue is that there is no way to bring up the Target command while in the Editor's 3D view... so the scenario designer cant be dynamically moving units in the editor and checking their LOS What! If this is true it has to changed surely? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieme(ITA) Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 The Louch is right, I just noticed this problem... no way to determine LOS at all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roter Stern Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 The only work-around I was able to figure out for the lack of the LOS tool in the editor is painting the entire map with one side’s setup zone, loading up the scenario, and using the setup phase to move a unit around the map and check the LOS. Needless to say that process is agonizingly slow, especially when changes need to be made to the map to adjust the LOS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roter Stern Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Blah.. double post 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottie Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 i miss LOS tool so much for checking the ground. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalbrew Posted August 7, 2007 Author Share Posted August 7, 2007 Along with other issues with using the new LoS methods, the 'target' tool does not take darkness into account. I haven't found any reliable method to judge how far I can see in darkness. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 I agree, the dedicated LOS tool needs to be brought back as soon as possible in a patch. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 We're not so sure about bringing back the LOS tool. There are, however, some exceptions where it would be useful. Remember also that Relative Spotting tells you pretty much all you need to know about if you can see/shoot an enemy unit before you use any tool at all. It isn't exact, because your guys don't forget about things that go temporarily out of LOS/LOF like in CMx1, but it at least tells you what is possible. CMx1 didn't have such information available. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowMotion Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 I think it would be *very* useful if Face command also showed LOS just like in Target command now. This is the way Rotate worked in CMx1 games. Another useful thing would be if Face command that hasn't been executed yet could be deleted, just like you can delete a movement waypoint. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 Oy! Yes, a dedicated LOS tool would be GREAT to help an unarmed Humvee calculate range and LOS. But wait - if you've got any artillery available you can easily use the artillery targetting function to check LOS - even an unarmed Humvee can! So with a few rare exceptions ALL the LOS tool functions have been folded into one or the other readily available tools. I don't miss the LOS tool because for 90% of my sighting purposes I still HAVE the LOS tool! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steiner14 Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 Originally posted by Battlefront.com: We're not so sure about bringing back the LOS tool. There are, however, some exceptions where it would be useful.If good things are eliminated, without an equally good or better replacement for it, then the overall quality has to sink. WEGO players don't need less, we need more tools to judge elevations better (i.e. terrain grid). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewood Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 That is especially true if you can't trust the visualization of terrain. Like LOS passing through ridges. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalintc Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 Try using the LOL tool. Drive\March a useless vehicle or troops which got in your bad books for calling you a t*sser or something, up to the ridge line to wish to judge LoS. If they die, then you do indeed have LoS there. Thats the LOL approach to LoS 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalbrew Posted August 8, 2007 Author Share Posted August 8, 2007 I'm not particularly hung up on what the tool is called. I need something to help me understand the LoS situation though. The current state of tools don't take darkness into account, lines (in general) don't lay on the ground surface but rather cut through them, and aren't available for unarmed units like recon vehicles. Solve all those things and I'm in better shape. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barleyman Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 Fully 3-dimensional volumetric LOS tool would be nice. You know, click on a spot and you get "water spill" shaded area that shows where you can see from that spot (and who can see YOU!) Or maybe show ground in different color or somesuch. "Grid display ON/OFF" would be very welcome too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirocco Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 I can do without a LOS tool, as long as LOD is fixed to enable a proper examination of the ground. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowMotion Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 Bump - we need a LOS tool that is usable in Scenario Editor's Unit Deploy mode. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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