Worse units in any CM game?

[michael_wittman44]

What is the worst forces you could get in a CM game? I don't mean to be nasty but for me its the Italians since unfortunately for them their leadership didn't give them decent weapons. Perhaps it was not having alot of raw resources.

[roqf77]

also, mmg tanks are pretty lame too!

[SturmSebber]

rocket spotters , too expensive, too inaccurate

[Sanok]

Originally posted by SturmSebber:

rocket spotters , too expensive, too inaccurate

How about *ANY* spotter in AK or BB? The rounds fall so spread out, they're all pretty worthless.

[Zalgiris 1410]

The worst outfit in CMx1 is definately the Hungarians in CMBB, much worse than the Italians IMHO, especially as the Russians get better and better while the Italian were sensible enough to surrender. The Honved units arn't worthy of fighting against much more than partisan bands well away from the front.

[Kingfish]

Early war Brit CS tanks, with only smoke rounds for their main guns.

[MikeyD]

CMBO Volksturm (or whatever their official title was). These guys were MADE to break!

[securityguard]

The Renault. 37mm gun that has less blast value and penetration than a 20mm. Goes slow, no off road ability, 200% rarity, most worthless armor in the game.

[Vergeltungswaffe]

Originally posted by michael_wittman44:

What is the worst forces you could get in a CM game?

All trucks.

[Pzman]

Originally posted by MikeyD:

CMBO Volksturm (or whatever their official title was). These guys were MADE to break!

Thats what Volksturm normally did, so whats your point.

[Joachim]

Originally posted by michael_wittman44:

What is the worst forces you could get in a CM game? I don't mean to be nasty but for me its the Italians since unfortunately for them their leadership didn't give them decent weapons. Perhaps it was not having alot of raw resources.

They have some excellent armored cars. The M41 is a good close support tank with lots of MG ammo.

In combination with German forces they are pretty useful. I had an Italian Inf Company storm a hill held by 2 US Rifle Cos plus heavy weapons. Of course they were followed by Italian armor (M41, Semovente 75) and a PzGr Co. German tanks a bit back in overwatch. The Italians were pretty good as scouts. Guess my opponent was not sure of whether to open up on them and give away positions or stay put and let them come too close. He surrendered when I just had 2 M41s cresting a slope that would allow them to get at a Shermans flank.

If you ask about the most useless nation (in CM, that is) to pick, it will be the Italians.

For units, even a truck has its value when the map has covered routes where he can shuttle around a gun.

So my pick in useless units are "friendly" airplanes.

Gruß

Joachim

[michael_wittman44]

Thanks for the replies!

[GAGA Extrem]

Well, as for me, i hate:

- Trucks (the PSW / M5 SC have MUCH better offroad capacity)

- R-35 (my good! teh evil of all tanks ever made - thanks god, i never ever got him... *splurg*)

- Ampuloment (pretty useless, imho... Mortars are much better)

- mmG's (though good to delay an enemy and make him waste his ammo)

- Recoilless guns (though i like the design, they are to expansive - note: the 88mm "Püppchen" does not count for that... <3 Püppchen)

[michael_wittman44]

Alot of people would hate short range weapons such as flame throwers, infantry AT weapons (demo charge, PIAT among others), but when used in the way they were meant to they can be deadly.

[Aco4bn187inf]

That little Russian tank with the 37mm gun- the BT-2? It's so obsolete it cracks me up, so I guess I kind of like it.

Of the Renault and all these obsolete tanks, at least you can say they are a problem for enemy infantry.

I like the ampulomet because anything that makes fire is fun.

My real least favorite is the IS-2. It retreats from enemy tanks, reloads slowly, and seems to shoot rather inaccurately.

[michael_wittman44]

"Ne Desit Virtus" what does that mean Aco4bn187inf?? The IS-2 had slow reload since the ammo was in two parts and was pretty heavy as well needing almost three of the crew to get it into the breech.

[Aco4bn187inf]

Thanks for asking. It means 'Let valor not fail'. In other words, let our courage not desert us. It's Latin, and it's the motto of the US Army's 187th Infantry Regiment, known as the Rakkasans. Rakkasan is a Japanese word for parachute.

About the IS-2, yup, there are one or two interesting threads in the CMBB forum about the IS-2's weird behavior in the game, what it was really designed for (not fighting tanks, apparently), etc.

I agree with the above comment about rocket spotters. I just dumped a German 158(?)mm rocket barrage on the center of a Soviet defense and scored exactly one casualty from, what, 108 rockets. Fun to watch, but that's about all.

[Dogface]

Honor And Country

No Slack

former 2/327th HHC here.

[Aco4bn187inf]

Howdy Dogface

When were you there? I was at Ft Campbell from April '85 to Feb '88. We never traveled further than the California desert during that time, pretty quiet. Seems like ancient history now...

[Dogface]

Hey,

I was there from 87 to Feb '90 minus a year in South/Central America. Went to Cali and Panama (with a brief stint in Columbia). And yes it does seem like ancient history. Mostly good times though.

[michael_wittman44]

No probs Aco4bn187inf!

[MacDuro]

I like the ampulomet because anything that makes fire is fun.

Roger that!

make fire is so funny ,

I thnik the worst unit in all the cm is the panzer Ib .i dont know how you can considerer it a tank .

Cs tanks with only smoke amno are too vere bad.

[Corvidae]

In real life the Italians were very good soldiers,

The Soviets respected them deeply, but Italian equipment was awfull, the infantry was armed with a 6.5 mm rifle, the smg's were cheap and fragile, artilery was in short supply, vehicles and armor was a joke, most Italians were chronicly short of ammo, and were starving on their feet, because their own quartermasters corps was totaly corrupt and incompetent. the quality of officers was variable, but tended towards crappy,,,, the typical Italian infantryman had all the odds stacked against him

but he was a natural optimist, and he loved a good scrap, The Italians were general fairly tough as people,,, mostly peasants and fishermen, they were not well educated, but they were smart, The traditional Italian sense of comunity meant that units tended to be very cohesive, they held together in adverse conditions,

But in CM they suck,,,,,,,

[David Chapuis]

Russian molotov coctails. It is sad when russian tank hunters are more deadly after they have gotten rid of their MC's.

[JasonC]

Italians were "really good soldiers" if "really good" means "worst in the war", maybe, in the land of unhurt national pride where all children are above average. In the real world, they sucked at least as much as they do in CM. They never won a battle under their own command, and were smashed to atoms whenever they were in the main line of a major allied attack.