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  1. We've heard all the changing armor quality stories, but a few less concerting facts. First, Duckman's quote about the cracked mantlet specifically says the 122 ricoceted off. Second and more on the actual theme of the thread, there is precise little evidence that US 57mm ATGs were ever very effective against the front of Panthers. There is in fact remarkably little evidence of their being effective vs anything, really. So e flank shots at close ranges, some hits on Panzer IVs, no doubt. But a simply horrible combat record vs serious German armor, in the bulge period specifically
  2. Erwin - asked and answered - yes, the Germans were just plain wrong. Why is this hard?
  3. Higher magnification is hopeless for handheld use. You need a fixed mount, whether ground or vehicle. 7x is about as high as is practical with anything hand stabilized; even at 10x you get plenty of object movement from "jitter". At 25 or 50 as used on true telescopes or spotting scopes you can't even hold the intended point inside the field of view with your hands. Googling around, I find the standard artillery set usually had 8-10 magnification, even with the quite heavy mount and tripod.
  4. Erwin - one cheap to make gun across the whole force, was the primary motive for the MG42. The high ROF was certainly useful in an aircraft or anti aircraft role, for the reasons already given above. By late war, The Germans didn't consider it sufficient caliber for any anti material purpose including AA, relying on 20mm cannons, 15mm MGs, and late war on 30mm cannons for that. But early midwar, they had lots of MGs in the skies, on fighters and (flex mounted) on bombers, not just ground LMGs in the infantry.
  5. cool wrote in part - " often MGs do area fire and covering twice as big an area seems sometimes helpful". But you aren't covering twice as big an area. You don't get one more bullet by having a higher rate of fire. You don't get one more ounce of barrel metal or one more inch of barrel surface area to cool things off. You don't get to fire any more, therefore, not over any length of time. You don't even get to fire the same ammo faster in any sustained fire sense. You just get to fire the ammo you can and do fire, in narrower windows of time within the overall firing time you have.
  6. cool - no, you can't fire over twice the beaten area to make full use of a higher rate of fire. The shots are coming very fast. It is the inherent dispersion the shots cause by moving the gun barrel around with their own recoil impulse that determines the angle the burst covers. That and the range determine the width of the spray pattern at the other end, not the operator. The effect of a denser pattern is just to make the spray a fuller probability of a hit on anything inside that dispersion cone, through a narrow range window, and at quite a distance. Even that density only matters for
  7. Erwin - about 550 rounds per minute, cyclic. Half second 5 round bursts, practically speaking. MG rate of fire is extremely overrated, incidentally. A very high ROF is only helpful vs briefly exposed targets or e.g. anti aircraft use where brief exposure and a need for many hits to do material damage is important. Vs infantry in their skivies, 2 hits aren't any better than 1, the beaten zone is set by gun manipulation mechanics not ROF, and running out of ammo twice as rapidly isn't nearly as good an idea as wargamers seem to think. The allies had MGs with twice the ROF of their typic
  8. breeze - If I have a motor vehicle to carry gun and ammo, I'd take a belt fed M1919 over a Lewis or a Bren, any day.
  9. Re reloading pans, see - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73mR4D9pYw Jump to 8:19, and watch for 40 seconds. No, he doesn't load 47 rounds in 40 seconds. Try 5. Reloading 1 47 round pan mag from loose rounds is a 5 minute operation at the shortest, and some modern people report 10 minutes is more realistic. The 47 rounds load in two layers and the winding spring gets progressively harder to turn as load. This is incredibly clumsy compared to putting rounds into a box magazine, like we all do today.. "But, but, you'd never reload a magazine in combat!" Even if you
  10. First, the varied causes of loss point is perfectly sound. But the notion that the data imply that StuGs were the best isn't actually supported by that data. Notice that it is British loss reporting that is behind that conclusion, as to the division of gun losses between ATGs, SP guns, and turreted tanks. Notice that the SP guns accounting for 25% of losses doesn't mean just StuGs, but also Marders, Jagdpanzer IVs, Hetzers, Nashorns, Jagdpanthers etc. A whole zoo, in other words. Yes the StuG was the most common item in that zoo, but it wasn't by any means all of it. Along with th
  11. The Bren is a vastly better gun than the Lewis. The BAR is admittedly much worse than the Bren as a GP LMG, but it is also 9 lbs lighter, 2/3rds the weight of the Lewis. The Lewis is 5 lbs heavier than the Bren. And pretty much worse in every respect. The higher ammo capacity from 47 round pans vs 30 round box is not a great advantage, because the circular pans are much, much slower to reload (not putting a new pan onto the gun - putting the rounds into a pan), and are very awkward to carry especially in numbers. The 47 round pans are reliable feeding, but those disadvantages are crip
  12. On the bunker, indirect artillerynis actually what it defends against the best, with small arms fire a close second. It has two vulnerabilities - close approach by infantry outside its covered arc (not from its front, in other words), and direct fire by AT weapons from its frontal arc, going through the firing slit. That means guns, tanks, ATRs. For an MG only bunker, a tank just trumps it for that reason, because the MG won't hurt a buttoned tank, and even a lighter tank's main gun will eventually put rounds through that firing slit and knock out the bunker. If you don't have a tank
  13. First on a source - Hugh Cole's bulge Green Book covers this under the section titled "one threat subsides, another emerges", the first half of which covers the liquidation of Peiper's pocket. On the weather, the 30th division narrative is clear that on the 22nd the day was very cold, falling snow and heavy overcast, so there was snow on the ground and it would still be present on the 23rd. 117th Infantry on the 22nd is described as trying to reduced a German force on the nose of a ridge that held them off with mortars, werfers and small arms, until a fourth company from Stavelot got beh
  14. herr_oberst is correct, the US artillery definitely practiced TOT missions at this stage of WW II - and used them with considerable effect in front of the Elsenborn ridge position, among other places.
  15. kevinkin - as long as you agree that maneuver never won anything - before the 6 days war at least - while attrition was always the decisive question, we have complete agreement. If you disagree and think that maneuver is a better way to win campaigns and wars and that attrition is only an unintelligent fall-back that arises when people aren't smart enough to win through maneuver, then we have complete disagreement. What you previously said is entirely irrelevant to the question; it turns only what you try to maintain is true, now. If the answer is "nothing", you are free to say so.
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