Itchy Posted April 20, 2001 Share Posted April 20, 2001 We all know how impressive the AI is in CM, but when i think back, I can't actually remember ever losing. I've lost many a time against human opponents, but never to the AI. During QB's with the AI its probably easier than created scenarios but even with these i've usually won with a moderate margin. Does anybody else think this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pzman Posted April 20, 2001 Share Posted April 20, 2001 Back in the beta days I lost 5 or six times but that was about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymann Posted April 20, 2001 Share Posted April 20, 2001 No probs though is it, I just always give the comp a percentage boost based on my mediocre skill level. Maybe more of a problem is the fact that you can usually guess what attack route they are going to take, ho hum... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doghouse Reily Posted April 20, 2001 Share Posted April 20, 2001 I've lost once to the AI, it was in the scenerio that had Bakemans Panthers.I was the Americans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
109 Gustav Posted April 20, 2001 Share Posted April 20, 2001 I just lost this week, in a QB in which I had conscripts and the AI had crack troops. I was trying to test out the best ways to use conscripts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grunto2 Posted April 20, 2001 Share Posted April 20, 2001 i recently fired up riesberg and lost 3 times as amis, then twice as germans. oh the humanity. i had the computer experience set to +3 and - especially when playing germans - wondered if that +3 setting were somehow making the 88s less accurate. andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted April 20, 2001 Share Posted April 20, 2001 I played "Grab for a Prize" and fought it to a Draw. Couldn't quite take the final objective Flags. What was funny though was that the Germans really didn't put up a fight till the last 10 turns or so when I reached their last strong-point. I was losing Easy-Eights by damned panzerfausts from hidden infantry squads in houses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warmaker Posted April 20, 2001 Share Posted April 20, 2001 When first learning CMBO, sure I got wailed upon by anyone that could use a mouse. Things have gotten better though (hopefully). As far as QB against the AI, I'll give the Allies' AI a +25% to the full +200% bonus points. The AI is going to make mistakes, so the extra points are a good cushion, especially if they've got a boatload of infantry and you don't have much in armor. I just love playing the numerical underdog. Nothing like having my Tiger IE platoon wiping out a battalion of soda cans. I love the smell of burning shermans in the morning... smells like victory! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted April 20, 2001 Share Posted April 20, 2001 I can't recall a single Warmaker post where he didn't use the phrase "soda can." I'm begining to think you have something against allied armor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyBucket Posted April 20, 2001 Share Posted April 20, 2001 I have lost to the AI on occasion. The temptation to hit Alt+A is almost irresistable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtweasle Posted April 20, 2001 Share Posted April 20, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BloodyBucket: I have lost to the AI on occasion. The temptation to hit Alt+A is almost irresistable.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy w/gun Posted April 20, 2001 Share Posted April 20, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Itchy: We all know how impressive the AI is in CM, but when i think back, I can't actually remember ever losing. I've lost many a time against human opponents, but never to the AI. During QB's with the AI its probably easier than created scenarios but even with these i've usually won with a moderate margin. Does anybody else think this?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> How in the hell have you never lost to the AI? Are you sure your not streching that a bit? Either you played nothing but humans from the very start or you were imaculatly born into knowing how to play CM. I'm going to have to rant here, but this is what never ceases to frustrate me. The way people make claims like that on this forum. Do you guys really trounce the AI 100% of the time like you claim? How is that even possible? Maybe in a QB where you specify everything, but I am always amazed at how well the AI performs when I play a scenario I've never played before. Or a QB where the AI picks enemy forces. I also hear people talking about perfectly realistic and effective tactics, then somebody corrects them saying "that may work on the AI, but humans are a different story!" The way people talk on this forum, wide flanking manuevers with armor must have been tactical suicide in real life. I'm not going to go into too much here. But the way people boast about what works and what doesn't gets to me after awhile. If only the real military leaders of WWII had your clairvoyance, WWII would have lasted a day! /rant off Anyway, please feel free to flame. [ 04-19-2001: Message edited by: Guy w/gun ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patboivin Posted April 20, 2001 Share Posted April 20, 2001 I lose to the AI about 30% of the time, usually because I think "what the heck" and sure enough, five minutes later it's obvious that I was reckless and deserve to be shot as a commander. :eek: I tell myself, it's just the computer, and I'm having fun... except I know deep down that I STILL LOST -- GRRR :mad: I think the programmers did a great job with the AI, it's really hard to program AI in games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Fox Posted April 20, 2001 Share Posted April 20, 2001 No, at least not when I was playing to win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderC Posted April 20, 2001 Share Posted April 20, 2001 I just took a major loss to the AI, normal experience, neither side with an advantage, playing the Westwall as the Allies. The AI seems to do best on the defensive. I also lose badly to the AI on the scenario, I forgot the name, where I play the poles. It was the first time I had played it, so I didn't know what to expect. It was a challenge but a little irritating in that it was ahistorical, i.e. the Germans had nearly as many troops as the Allies, 88s all over the place, etc. The arty and mortar operations nearly drove me buggy.... no targeting unless LOS... targeting non-LOS units is the whole point of mortars and arty... if you had LOS you would be using a direct fire weapon. Rant over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisbech_lad Posted April 20, 2001 Share Posted April 20, 2001 Quite often... For fun, I've been trying 300-400 pt unrestricted ME QB, everything random. AI +2/3 depending on how masochistic I'm feeling. And when you get dealt HT's and mortars against assualt guns, getting a tactical loss feels like a victory! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarmo Posted April 20, 2001 Share Posted April 20, 2001 I lose to her all the time. But then, I don't play 1000 pt meeting engagements with all things equal. The last series of defeats was when I was trying to learn Sherman tactics. Just give yourself 5 Shermans and let the AI have 5 Panthers. Or 5 King Tigers if you're feeling confident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horncastle Posted April 20, 2001 Share Posted April 20, 2001 Try I think its spelt "Kommerschiedt" as the Germans its on the CD, you can lose very easily on this against the AI if you dont have lots of luck on yourside. Id buy anyman a drink if they can beat it with +2 computer experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowMotion Posted April 20, 2001 Share Posted April 20, 2001 Those who say they never lose to the AI, do you ever try giving it more troops? At least in some scenarios the AI is very tough to beat if you give extra 100% or 200%. I still lose some scenarios when I play them first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abteilung Posted April 20, 2001 Share Posted April 20, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Itchy: We all know how impressive the AI is in CM, but when i think back, I can't actually remember ever losing. I've lost many a time against human opponents, but never to the AI. During QB's with the AI its probably easier than created scenarios but even with these i've usually won with a moderate margin. Does anybody else think this?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Right......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olle Petersson Posted April 20, 2001 Share Posted April 20, 2001 Are you guys kidding? I regularly lose to the AI, unless I give myself some gamey advantage. If I set up a standard QB attack, with the AI defending and random pick of troops for both sides, then I'll have some pretty even game. Cheers Olle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panther131 Posted April 20, 2001 Share Posted April 20, 2001 Good Post Guy w/gun. Now I feel ok. I lose to the AI with regularity. I would say 30%, but it depends on the QB set up. In Scenarios it can be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schugger Posted April 20, 2001 Share Posted April 20, 2001 I still have no problem to get my butt kicked by no-nonsense, fast spotting, first-shot-killing, mean-green (or conscript) fighting machines encountered in "Villers Bocage - Tiger!". This is - of course - without any AI boni to the brits. Try it, even if you know the names of any british TC present, it is absolutely not a piece of cake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chupacabra Posted April 20, 2001 Share Posted April 20, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Guy w/gun: How in the hell have you never lost to the AI? Are you sure your not streching that a bit? Either you played nothing but humans from the very start or you were imaculatly born into knowing how to play CM. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Um, not a flame, and this certainly isn't intended as a boast, but I can honestly say that I've never lost a game to the AI. I don't really see what the big deal is. I don't consider myself a particularly skilled player, as my PBEM opponents can tell you. Playing the AI is different from playing humans, is all I can say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted April 20, 2001 Share Posted April 20, 2001 Hey all you bored winners, go to the tips forum and read my post:"solo players: How to get the best out of the AI" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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