BlackMoria Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 That is pretty blatant. Putin has played the plausible deniability angle with people being poisoned or going out window. But maybe that is entirely the point. He wants everyone to know he ordered the dirty deed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Russian TG VChK-OGPU claims Prigozhyn urgenty left Africa and arrived to Moscow, because he found out that the deputy chief - chief of special activity department of GU GSh (former GRU) Andrey Averyanov begins to implement the plan of substitution of PMC Wagner forces in Africa for "African Army Corps" in 20 000 men, which should be enlisted soon and start training. Prigozhyn tried to interfere these plans. Averyanov is known as author of such operations like Solsberry poisoning, explosions on Vrbetitse ammo dump in Czech Republic, poisining of Bulgarian weapon trader Yemelyan Gebriev. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimbosbread Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Why the hell is Russia focusing on an Afrika Corps right now? Don’t they need soldiers? Is this a ruse to mobilize more men? Even if best case (for Russia) the conflict is frozen and their economy can support the adventure, it’s not like there isn’t going to be epic Russian hunting and shenanigans by various foreign services in Africa. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Wenman Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Thread is worth a read P 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon052 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 The symbolism is strong with this one. Exactly 2 month ago the wagner group started their rebellion/coup. So with russian fixation on dates I would assume along with videomaterial that cleary hints that this was ordered by the Putin/the Kremlin. The reports state that both Utkin and Prigoshin were in the plane and their bodies got identified after the crash.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackMoria Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Looks like Prig was set up and things are in motion now. Get the popcorn out, this could get good. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan/california Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) Quote https://www.unian.ua/war/u-krimu-urazheno-beregoviy-raketniy-protikorabelniy-kompleks-bastion-12368946.html Coastal anti-ship missile complex "Bastion" - Andryushchenko was hit in Crimea Radar stations were also damaged. There were 7 explosions in total. AFU appears to have hit quite a it more than just the S-400. Edit: a popcorn worthy day indeed! Edited August 23, 2023 by dan/california 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, dan/california said: AFU appears to have hit quite a it more than just the S-400. This is first information after the strike, then was clarified S-400 was hit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan/california Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, Pete Wenman said: Thread is worth a read P You have to love it when the bad guys decide to shoot all the competent people on their own side. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Haiduk Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) One more of video with engaging of UKR RHIBs and Russian aircraft from the point of view from the boat Filmed by fighters of "Artan" - volunteer special unit of GUR (Main Intelligence Directorate). Russian aicraft shells the RHIB with gun and MANPAD launch at Russian jet. Some soldiers on the video speaks on unknown language and probably meaning Budanov surname. Edited August 23, 2023 by Haiduk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 1 hour ago, TheVulture said: BBC has an eyewitness video of Prig's planet going into the ground. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-66597449 Now we just need and eye witness with video of Prig getting on the plane... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVulture Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, IanL said: Now we just need and eye witness with video of Prig getting on the plane... And preferably Utkin too since he was also on the official passenger manifest, for what that's worth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beleg85 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 31 minutes ago, Pete Wenman said: Also Chekalov, chief of Wagner "counterintelligence". Too many eggs in one basket; if they all travelled together, Prig must have been very sure of himself and his guarantees. Curious if his recent presence at conference with Africans wasn't designed specifically to lure him into more confidence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinophile Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 And I was just commenting a few days ago how Wagner was in an odd space, geopolitically. Well, this wraps that up nicely. Unfortunately as mentioned by others, this now locks in Putin /MoD as In Charge. Shakiness in the regime will probably fade and any second attempt at a rebellion will need another avenue and not a military one. The way is shut. It was made by those who are Dead, and the Dead keep it, until the time comes. The way is shut. This killing now redirects social/military pressure out of the realm of armed rebellion and possibly into political resistance... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jr Buck Private Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 2 hours ago, The_Capt said: https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/russian-warlord-who-defied-putin-was-on-passenger-list-of-jet-that-crashed-officials-1.6531330 Hitting mainstream. If Prig just got slagged...well he should have not been surprised in the least on the way down. Mafia rules - when you take a shot at the boss, do not miss. No, if you take a shot at the boss then take the train... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinophile Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Hmm. Maybe Putin will take this as the final step before Mobilization, now that the most overt opposition is a smoking hole in western Russia. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan/california Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Kinophile said: And I was just commenting a few days ago how Wagner was in an odd space, geopolitically. Well, this wraps that up nicely. Unfortunately as mentioned by others, this now locks in Putin /MoD as In Charge. Shakiness in the regime will probably fade and any second attempt at a rebellion will need another avenue and not a military one. The way is shut. It was made by those who are Dead, and the Dead keep it, until the time comes. The way is shut. This killing now redirects social/military pressure out of the realm of armed rebellion and possibly into political resistance... Not sure I agree with this one. This tells the people doing the fighting they are stuck with the same incompetent crooks as commanders forever more. Given the amount of pressure the Ukrainians are piling on the could be some unpredictable reactions by front line units. The surrender, or sudden retreat of even a couple of units could move the southern front in a major way. Edited August 23, 2023 by dan/california 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jr Buck Private Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, Kinophile said: Hmm. Maybe Putin will take this as the final step before Mobilization, now that the most overt opposition is a smoking hole in western Russia. Another mobilization would tell the world that Ukraine is winning the war. To me it would be a positive sign although nobody wants to see more Russians at the front. Putin won't lose Crimea without another call up or two. Good thing Ukraine has lots of cluster munitions to use now. By the way I've read that Russians are using wood to cover their trenches because of these cluster munitions. I thought those things were also good against armored vehicles? Can wood really do anything for protection? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVulture Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, Jr Buck Private said: Another mobilization would tell the world that Ukraine is winning the war. To me it would be a positive sign although nobody wants to see more Russians at the front. Putin won't lose Crimea without another call up or two. Good thing Ukraine has lots of cluster munitions to use now. By the way I've read that Russians are using wood to cover their trenches because of these cluster munitions. I thought those things were also good against armored vehicles? Can wood really do anything for protection? Maybe it's just meant to make battle damage assessment harder: doesn't help the mobiks, but does make it harder to count how many are left, which might make the Ukrainians more cautious in the advance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbindc Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Kinophile said: And I was just commenting a few days ago how Wagner was in an odd space, geopolitically. Well, this wraps that up nicely. Unfortunately as mentioned by others, this now locks in Putin /MoD as In Charge. Shakiness in the regime will probably fade and any second attempt at a rebellion will need another avenue and not a military one. The way is shut. It was made by those who are Dead, and the Dead keep it, until the time comes. The way is shut. This killing now redirects social/military pressure out of the realm of armed rebellion and possibly into political resistance... There are plenty of contingencies in which it could happen again. If Putin is incapacitated in any way, if there are any severe military setbacks, keep an eye on the Rosgvardia especially. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckdyke Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 The higher you are the harder you fall. Is this true? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinophile Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 28 minutes ago, billbindc said: There are plenty of contingencies in which it could happen again. If Putin is incapacitated in any way, if there are any severe military setbacks, keep an eye on the Rosgvardia especially. Good point, but I meant more that the fighting units at the front have a data point - rebellion will be defeated and the leaders killed, even if eventually. If Putin is incapacitated then all avenues to leadership change are open, but while he is compes mentes then military rebellion will need a much higher threshold for people to sign on. The uniqueness of Prigozhin was that he came to rebellion with a ready made group of veteran loyalists, something I noted several times was very dangerous for Putin to allow to exist, and events bore it out. But there is no military equivalent anymore, except in theory the Kadyrovites - but Putin can provide an infinite supply of goats, so.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FancyCat Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Kinophile said: Hmm. Maybe Putin will take this as the final step before Mobilization, now that the most overt opposition is a smoking hole in western Russia. That opposition would have been in favor of mobilization. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 40 minutes ago, chuckdyke said: The higher you are the harder you fall. Is this true? That is Il-22 shot down by Wagner during mutiny, not Prighozin’s business jet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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