How Hot is Ukraine Gonna Get?

[Blazing 88's]

Some good pictures in this slide show (62 images):
Latest images from the war-torn region.

"CONSERVATIVE SITE, ENTER AT YOUR OWN PERIL"
Russia-Ukraine War: Week 35

For the experts, as I have seen this on other mortar shells as well... Image 36, what is the wrapping for on the shell by the spinner and does it come off before being sent down the tube??
Thanks.

 

Edited October 29, 2022 by Blazing 88's

[NamEndedAllen]

We interrupt our regularly scheduled program for this breaking news update. Which has very little to do with our regularly scheduled programming. Except…it is about the absolute underest of underdogs triumphing time after time. NO ONE GAVE THEM A CHANCE. Rather like a brave, unyielding country the world wrote off earlier this year. But tonight, they did it yet again..

HOUSTON — The nation rejoices this morning, because, these days, Jason Kelce is dead wrong:

Everyone likes us. And yes, we care.

The Fightin’ Phillies added another chapter to their fairy-tale season. They spotted the Astros a five-run lead through the first three innings, but, thanks to another episode of brilliant manipulation by rookie manager Rob Thomson and utter indifference to logic and expectation, roared all the way back for a 6-5 win Friday night.

An Okie struck the death blow

With the guile and perseverance that marks this as the most thrilling season in franchise history, the team that fired its manager on June 3, the team that needed 160 games to back into the postseason with the first No. 6 seed in baseball history, won Game 1 of a World Series they have no business being in. They won against the best team in baseball over the last six seasons, and they won it in that team’s cartoonish home stadium.

They won when J.T. Realmuto, the Oklahoman, made his Red River home folks prouder than ever, with a two-run double off Astros starter Justin Verlander to tie it at 5 in the fifth and a slicing, carrying, 3-2 solo homer off Luis Garcia to lead off the top of the 10th inning.

Leave it to the backstops.

Thomson was a catcher in his playing days. Realmuto’s the best catcher in baseball. Kelce surely would be a catcher if he didn’t play football.

This win, this night, was a wholesome elixir for a dying pastime. The Phillies have stolen home-field advantage for the fourth straight time this postseason, and, in Philly, 

that’s a helluva thing.

Thanks in part to the underdog run the Eagles went on in 2017, and thanks in part to the arrogant misdeeds of the Astros in the past, America is a nation whose World Series sympathies are directed on one franchise, and one franchise only. An extremely unscientific study — 100,000 geotagged tweets tracked by an online betting site — showed that only six of 50 states favored the Astros, who are in the Series for the fourth time in the last six seasons. They won in 2017, but, to the delight of citizens who dislike cheaters, they lost in 2019 and 2021.

The Phillies, with their rascal of a mascot, an equally motley and hairy roster, and their team anthem, remarkably, co-written by Robyn, are the darlings of baseball. The Astros, meanwhile, are the villains. They’re the Patriots of Major League Baseball: a well-built, well-run, talented team that cheated to win.

-Marcus Hayes, The Philadelphia Inquirer 

And before we return to the news of real life war, death and destruction, with sorrows piled upon sorrows for far too many souls, for far too long, here are the underdogs celebrating another victory in their march to winning the whole thing:

DANCING. ON. MY. OWN - Again. Just last week:

 

 Apologies for sharing this Underdog story, to date. They must win three more times against the most dominant team in the American League for years now, who have been heavily favored by everyone (except the Phillies). But they believe in themselves. In a small way, like that country now fighting for its life, and winning now against all odds. 

 

 

PS I promise not to do this again. Honest. Unless in the truly unlikely and bizarre event that they actually win the Series itself. 

 

 

 

.

 

Edited October 29, 2022 by NamEndedAllen

[poesel]

9 hours ago, Huba said:

I can imagine that for "dumb" artillery rounds, keeping the whole production lines mothballed should be more or less doable, if you are really willing to do so. At the end it is only steel and a few chemicals, mostly produced from natural gas, right?  Plus maybe some simple, purely mechanical contact fuses.

I've been involved a bit in the making of a production line for artillery shells. The problem is that it is not only about the parts that make out the round, but also about the machinery for making those parts. There is quite a lot of complex machinery involved. Much of it is also specialized machinery that is not used somewhere else.

Even mothballed stuff breaks after a while. So you need replacements and your spare part package is not endless. After a while, you start to scrounge for stuff on eBay, and then you need to drag engineers out of the retirement homes because no one knows how to use that specific piece of tech anymore.

Of course, you could unpack this thing once a year and try to run it for a week. Fix the stuff that broke and pack it up again. But that is very expensive for something, that is most likely useless (unless it's priceless, as someone else put it nicely). Good luck explaining that to your taxpayers.

9 hours ago, Huba said:

But the moment you jump to anything requiring fancy electronics you really can't do that that easily. I wonder if though if we are not approaching times where a self-respecting military should have it's own chip factory?

I guess that would be too big even for the US military budget.

8 hours ago, acrashb said:

Smart rounds are another matter - electronics have shelf lives (e.g., tin solder whiskers).  Once the chips are out of production, you just can't get them.  So modularity - chip not available?  Redesign the board and plug it into the fuse through your milspec / unchanging interface.

First, you need an engineer who knows how to design that. And then you need to have your design certified. And prototyped. And tested. And signed off again. And then produced. And tested again.

Doable of course. But with a big price tag. Like the 100m€ for setting up a new production line for the SMArt 155 ammunition. Btw, the actual production for 10,000 rounds will cost another 800m€.

[poesel]

8 minutes ago, NamEndedAllen said:

We interrupt our regularly scheduled program for this breaking news update. Which has very little to do with our regularly scheduled programming. Except…it is about the absolute underest of underdogs triumphing time after time. NO ONE GAVE THEM A CHANCE. Rather like a brave, unyielding country the world wrote off earlier this year. But tonight, they did it yet again..

HOUSTON — The nation rejoices this morning, because, these days, Jason Kelce is dead wrong:

Everyone likes us. And yes, we care.

The Fightin’ Phillies added another chapter to their fairy-tale season. They spotted the Astros a five-run lead through the first three innings, but, thanks to another episode of brilliant manipulation by rookie manager Rob Thomson and utter indifference to logic and expectation, roared all the way back for a 6-5 win Friday night.

An Okie struck the death blow

With the guile and perseverance that marks this as the most thrilling season in franchise history, the team that fired its manager on June 3, the team that needed 160 games to back into the postseason with the first No. 6 seed in baseball history, won Game 1 of a World Series they have no business being in. They won against the best team in baseball over the last six seasons, and they won it in that team’s cartoonish home stadium.

They won when J.T. Realmuto, the Oklahoman, made his Red River home folks prouder than ever, with a two-run double off Astros starter Justin Verlander to tie it at 5 in the fifth and a slicing, carrying, 3-2 solo homer off Luis Garcia to lead off the top of the 10th inning.

Leave it to the backstops.

Thomson was a catcher in his playing days. Realmuto’s the best catcher in baseball. Kelce surely would be a catcher if he didn’t play football.

This win, this night, was a wholesome elixir for a dying pastime. The Phillies have stolen home-field advantage for the fourth straight time this postseason, and, in Philly, 

that’s a helluva thing.

Thanks in part to the underdog run the Eagles went on in 2017, and thanks in part to the arrogant misdeeds of the Astros in the past, America is a nation whose World Series sympathies are directed on one franchise, and one franchise only. An extremely unscientific study — 100,000 geotagged tweets tracked by an online betting site — showed that only six of 50 states favored the Astros, who are in the Series for the fourth time in the last six seasons. They won in 2017, but, to the delight of citizens who dislike cheaters, they lost in 2019 and 2021.

The Phillies, with their rascal of a mascot, an equally motley and hairy roster, and their team anthem, remarkably, co-written by Robyn, are the darlings of baseball. The Astros, meanwhile, are the villains. They’re the Patriots of Major League Baseball: a well-built, well-run, talented team that cheated to win.

-Marcus Hayes, The Philadelphia Inquirer 

And before we return to the news of real life war, death and destruction, with sorrows piled upon sorrows for far too many souls, for far too long, here are the underdogs celebrating another victory in their march to winning the whole thing:

DANCING. ON. MY. OWN - Again. Just last week:

 

 Apologies for sharing this Underdog story, to date. They must win three more times against the most dominant team in the American League for years now, who have been heavily favored by everyone (except the Phillies). But they believe in themselves. In a small way, like that country now fighting for its life, and winning now against all odds. 

 

 

PS I promise not to do this again. Honest. Unless in the truly unlikely and bizarre event that they actually win the Series itself. 

 

 

 

.

 

Sorry, couldn't resist

[panzermartin]

Star wars over Kiev 

 

 

[Thomm]

How can this be not fake?

[chuckdyke]

Is this true?

 

 

[Zeleban]

5 minutes ago, chuckdyke said:

Is this true?

 

 

Silence on Twitter about this. It looks like it's fake

[cesmonkey]

5 minutes ago, Zeleban said:

Silence on Twitter about this. It looks like it's fake

There was this on the Russian newswire site:
https://ria.ru/20221029/svo-1827700259.html?rcmd_alg=slotter
The Black Sea Fleet was involved in the Sevastopol Bay due to an UAV attack

[Haiduk]

25 minutes ago, chuckdyke said:

Is this true?

 

 

This is Gerashchenko f...g hype-eater. All his "sensations" are fu...g BS.

Though this morning something happened in Sevastopol. Locals write AD worked for three hours since 4:00. There were four (according other sources up to 6-7) loud explosions. 

After 9:00 Russian officials claimed some unknown USV chased the ship in Omega bay, helicopter shelled it with rockets and gun, after this USV stopped and was destroyed in next strafe

Diring all theese developments US RQ-4 was in neutral aerial space close to Crimea

Edited October 29, 2022 by Haiduk

[Haiduk]

1 hour ago, panzermartin said:

Star wars over Kiev 

 

 

Obvious fake ) 

[Haiduk]

Technical specialists of Main Inteligence Directorate have finished researching of captured Iranian UCAV Mohajer-6. It's turned out 3/4 of it components have US origins. Also were used components from Japan, China, Sweden, Austria and one component has... Ukrainian origin. Latter will be object of SBU investigation. All theese components are dual-purpose or civilian-purpose and can be freely purchased

 From 0:22 to 2:25 in Ukrainain

 

Edited October 29, 2022 by Haiduk

[Beleg85]

They definitelly hit something, however sources for what was hit are for now Truxa and Gerashchenko so treat with caution:

 

 

[Haiduk]

28 minutes ago, Beleg85 said:

They definitelly hit something, however sources for what was hit are for now Truxa and Gerashchenko so treat with caution:

 

 

This is a smoke in Kamyshovaya bay, where usually military ships don't stand, but there is oil depot 

Though Russians already recognized that after combined drones and USV attack (8 UAVs and 6 USVs) were damaged minesweeper (the hull was damaged by shockwave) and radar of "Admiral Makarov" frigate was hit with fragments (screen of Russian naval-related TG)

PS. One more photo of explosion in some bay

PPS. The attack was conducted in the anniversary of "Novorossiysk" battlesip destroying on 29th Oct 1955 - former Italian battleship "Giulio Cesare" was blown up probably by Italian diversants on mini-submarine directly in the bay of Sevastopol. This was biggest disaster of Black Sea Fleet, which took 617 lives 

Edited October 29, 2022 by Haiduk

[Beleg85]

11 hours ago, Zeleban said:

War brings people together. In the face of danger, everyone strives to do something to help others. Pharmacies distributed medicines to everyone for free, shops distributed food, a lot of volunteers appeared ready to help others. From the second day of the war, I was constantly in the local clinic. We unloaded humanitarian aid and food, carried the wounded (a point was set up at the polyclinic to stabilize the wounded before sending them to a military hospital). The victims, whom the doctors could not save, had to be buried right in the courtyard of the clinic, as the road to the cemetery was shot through.

 

Most of the wounded were civilians. I remember two cases in particular. In one, a man and a woman brought a dead child of 5 years old with a gunshot wound to the hospital. They tried to leave Bucha to the west, their car was fired upon by Russian soldiers. In the second case, a pregnant girl with a damaged spine was brought to the hospital. She and her husband were in their apartment when the shell hit their home. The husband died on the spot. she got a spinal injury. Unfortunately, as a result of this injury, her child also died. She lost her most loved people in one day.

It is truly horrifiying all of this was due to one old man dellusion.

When rehabilitating from covid lately, I met a 50 year old man from Kharkiv.The guy was living in his cellar practically for 1,5 month, and his lungs were so polluted with dust and microscopic debris doctors gave him several years of life. This small dust causing serious pulmonological issues reportedly is very common among people forced to live in mostly destroyed cities, who left Ukraine. Medics I spoke to were even doing separate international conference in order how to treat it; they also discovered some previously unknown lung fungi among people who lived underground long enough.

And one can hear such stories here almost every week, if only talk to some Ukrianians who escaped.

[Taranis]

"Members of the Ukrainian artillery unit prepare to fire towards Kherson, October 28, 2022. BULENT KILIC / AFP"
* seems 2S3 Akatsiya

Crimea drone attack :
Drone attack on Crimea yesterday was the 'most massive' of the conflict, local pro-Russian governor says

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“Tonight took place the most massive attack by drones and remotely piloted surface vehicles on the waters of Sevastopol Bay in the history” of the conflict, said the pro-Russian governor of the city of Sevastopol, Mikhail Razvojayev, to the Russian agency TASS.

“The operational staff held a restricted meeting today, he added on Telegram . A number of decisions have been made with regard to those who post videos of the city's defense systems”.

Earlier in the morning, he had urged residents of the city to "not [post] videos" , nor to write "what you saw and heard". "It should be clear to everyone that the Ukrainian Nazis badly need such information to understand how our city's defense is built ," he said.

https://t.me/razvozhaev/1321

 

Russian army accuses Ukraine and Britain of drone attack on its fleet in Crimea

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The Russian military has blamed Ukraine and Britain for the massive drone attack that targeted its Black Sea Fleet in Crimea on Saturday morning. The attack caused "minor damage" to one of the ships, Russian authorities say.

"The preparation for this terrorist act and the training of military personnel of the 73rd Ukrainian Special Maritime Operations Center were carried out by British specialists based in Ochakov, in the Mykolaiv region of Ukraine , " wrote the Russian Defense Ministry. on Telegram . Still according to Moscow, these ships participated in the protection of convoys responsible for exporting Ukrainian cereals.

 

“Do not post videos” of the city of Sevastopol, the pro-Russian governor asks the inhabitants

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After drone attacks in Sevastopol Bay, where the Russian Black Sea Fleet is based, the city's pro-Russian governor, Mikhail Razvojayev, urged city residents on Telegram to 'not [post] videos' , nor to write "what you have seen and heard" . "It should be clear to everyone that the Ukrainian Nazis badly need such information to understand how our city's defense is built ," he said.

Earlier in the morning , the governor of this town on the Crimean peninsula claimed that Russian naval forces repelled a drone attack in waters off Sevastopol.“No facilities in the city were affected. The situation is under control ,” he wrote on Telegram . The port was "temporarily" closed to ships and ferries after the attack, according to city officials.

 

Kherson Front :
Russians took medical equipment from Kherson hospitals as they fled, Ukrainian General Staff says

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According to the situation update published this morning by the Ukrainian General Staff, "in the last twenty-four hours, [Russia] has carried out four rocket strikes and up to twenty-five air strikes" . In addition to these strikes, there were more than seventy attacks by rocket salvo systems, which affected the areas of more than thirty-five cities. “Among them, Siversk and Prechystivka from the Donetsk region; Mali Shcherbaky, Zaporizhia region; Davydiv Brid and Mala Seideminukha in the Kherson and Kobzarka region, Mykolaiv region” specifies the Ukrainian General Staff.

In Belgorod, "because of the failures of the [Russian] medical aviation and an already full local hospital, [the Russian forces were] forced to evacuate their wounded by bus to the neighboring town of Voronezh" , add the Ukrainian authorities. In Beryslav, Kherson Oblast, "occupiers change en masse into civilian clothes and move into private residences . "

As for the "so-called evacuation" of Kherson, carried out by the Russians before the imminent arrival of Ukrainian troops, this also concerns medical equipment, say the Ukrainians. “All the equipment and medicines from the hospitals in Kherson were taken away [by the Russians]. Doctors who refuse to leave are not allowed to enter hospitals. »

 

That makes lots of sign of futur retreat (or loss by assault) : Civilian evacuations, relics evacuations etc... or for scorched earth...

Other :
Russian state media journalist killed during Russian army shooting exercise in Crimea

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The head of the Crimean branch of Rossia Segodnia, Svetlana Babaeva, "died on one of the military training grounds in Crimea, where shooting exercises were carried out" by the Russian army, its editorial staff announced yesterday, without other details.

Ms. Babaïeva worked for many years for this Russian state media, which notably includes the Ria Novosti press agency or the Sputnik group, with posts in London or the United States. Dmitry Kisselyov, who leads the group and is considered one of the country's leading propagandists, hailed the memory of a "warm person, who strongly supported Russia" and who "wanted to support our heroes" in Ukraine.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov praised him as a “multi-talented journalist” who was once part of a presidential pool. “For many years we worked” together, Mr. Peskov told Russian media. The spokesperson for Russian diplomacy, Maria Zakharova, or even officials of the Russian occupation in Ukraine also praised the memory of the journalist on social networks.

Born in 1972, Svetlana Babaeva started working at Rossia Segodnia shortly after a controversial overhaul that saw the Russian state tighten its control over the conglomerate. Since 2019, she has been her correspondent in the city of Simferopol, in Crimea, a peninsula annexed by Russia in 2014 and which today serves as a rear base for its offensive in Ukraine.

 

Source : Le Monde

 

[Taranis]

Head of occupational authorities in Sevastopol says all public CCTV in the city will be turned off
https://t.me/media_echo/9220

[chuckdyke]

Russia-Ukraine war latest: Moscow plans to 'expedite' withdrawal from Kherson city, MoD anticipates (msn.com) Some more news.

Russia-Ukraine war latest: Moscow plans to 'expedite' withdrawal from Kherson city, MoD anticipates (msn.com)

 

 

[kraze]

2 hours ago, chuckdyke said:

Is this true?

 

 

It's Geraschenko, just like Arestovich and Tryxa. Even if their posts are sometimes half-truths - half-truths are still bad because they are still misinformation.

[Haiduk]

Rare armored car - Ukrainian-Polish "Oncilla" in UKR service. This is licensed Polish version of UKR "Dozor-B". First 10 "Dozor-B" (developed in 2007, but wasn't launch in production) were produced in 2016 and went to recon company of 95th air-assault brigade.  

Ukrainian factories couldn't manage to organize regular production of Dozor-B because of different reasons, also MoD had many pretensions to design of "Dozor-B". Corrections in design and new tests took alot of time, so only in 2021 was claimed about readiness to serial production, but MoD already signed a contract with Polish manufacturer for "Oncilla" supply. License on Dozor-B was sold in 2013 for Cyprus company and production of upgraded version of Dozor-B under name "Oncilla" was started in Poland. Polish manufacturer could quickly to match this armnored car to NATO standarts, what couldn't make UKR designers and manbufacturers for 15 years. So, this is weird, but Ukr MoD now is ordering own domestic development from foreign manufacturer. Though, since 2020assembling of "Oncilla" from Polish parts was organized in Ukraine. In 2021 firs dozen of "Oncillas" were hanede over to AFU, but total number of them in service unknown

 

Three of nine "Oncillas" handed over in Oct 2021

Edited October 29, 2022 by Haiduk

[Haiduk]

Russian TG reported that damaged minesweeper is "Ivan Golubets" (project 266M, NATO Natya class)

Minesweeper has a hole in the hull and cought fire. Also one USV hit sub nets and booms obstacle in Yuzhnaya bay

[Beleg85]

Normally we should maintain a healthy dose of scepticism about those intercepted calls, but nonetheless worth to listen to this, just in case. Of course it could be Ukrainian PsyOps.

 

27 minutes ago, Haiduk said:

Rare armored car - Ukrainian-Polish "Oncilla" in UKR service. This is licensed Polish version of UKR "Dozor-B". First 10 "Dozor-B" (developed in 2007, but wasn't launch in production) were produced in 2016 and went to recon company of 95th air-assault brigade.  

About various modifications for Oncilia:

https://defence24.pl/sily-zbrojne/oncilla-poszla-na-wojne

Edited October 29, 2022 by Beleg85

[Kinophile]

4 hours ago, NamEndedAllen said:

We interrupt our regularly scheduled program for this breaking news update. Which has very little to do with our regularly scheduled programming. Except…it is about the absolute underest of underdogs triumphing time after time. NO ONE GAVE THEM A CHANCE. Rather like a brave, unyielding country the world wrote off earlier this year. But tonight, they did it yet again..

HOUSTON — The nation rejoices this morning, because, these days, Jason Kelce is dead wrong:

Everyone likes us. And yes, we care.

The Fightin’ Phillies added another chapter to their fairy-tale season. They spotted the Astros a five-run lead through the first three innings, but, thanks to another episode of brilliant manipulation by rookie manager Rob Thomson and utter indifference to logic and expectation, roared all the way back for a 6-5 win Friday night.

An Okie struck the death blow

With the guile and perseverance that marks this as the most thrilling season in franchise history, the team that fired its manager on June 3, the team that needed 160 games to back into the postseason with the first No. 6 seed in baseball history, won Game 1 of a World Series they have no business being in. They won against the best team in baseball over the last six seasons, and they won it in that team’s cartoonish home stadium.

They won when J.T. Realmuto, the Oklahoman, made his Red River home folks prouder than ever, with a two-run double off Astros starter Justin Verlander to tie it at 5 in the fifth and a slicing, carrying, 3-2 solo homer off Luis Garcia to lead off the top of the 10th inning.

Leave it to the backstops.

Thomson was a catcher in his playing days. Realmuto’s the best catcher in baseball. Kelce surely would be a catcher if he didn’t play football.

This win, this night, was a wholesome elixir for a dying pastime. The Phillies have stolen home-field advantage for the fourth straight time this postseason, and, in Philly, 

that’s a helluva thing.

Thanks in part to the underdog run the Eagles went on in 2017, and thanks in part to the arrogant misdeeds of the Astros in the past, America is a nation whose World Series sympathies are directed on one franchise, and one franchise only. An extremely unscientific study — 100,000 geotagged tweets tracked by an online betting site — showed that only six of 50 states favored the Astros, who are in the Series for the fourth time in the last six seasons. They won in 2017, but, to the delight of citizens who dislike cheaters, they lost in 2019 and 2021.

The Phillies, with their rascal of a mascot, an equally motley and hairy roster, and their team anthem, remarkably, co-written by Robyn, are the darlings of baseball. The Astros, meanwhile, are the villains. They’re the Patriots of Major League Baseball: a well-built, well-run, talented team that cheated to win.

-Marcus Hayes, The Philadelphia Inquirer 

And before we return to the news of real life war, death and destruction, with sorrows piled upon sorrows for far too many souls, for far too long, here are the underdogs celebrating another victory in their march to winning the whole thing:

DANCING. ON. MY. OWN - Again. Just last week:

 

 Apologies for sharing this Underdog story, to date. They must win three more times against the most dominant team in the American League for years now, who have been heavily favored by everyone (except the Phillies). But they believe in themselves. In a small way, like that country now fighting for its life, and winning now against all odds. 

 

 

PS I promise not to do this again. Honest. Unless in the truly unlikely and bizarre event that they actually win the Series itself. 

 

 

 

.

 

There are forums for that stuff. This is a thread tracking a genocidal war against the Ukrainian people. 

Personally  I've zero interest in the Phillies or anything sports spamming up this thread. 

[Haiduk]

Oh, theese 1941 vibes 

Kharkiv front - UKR trophy BMP-3 tows a turret of another BMP-3. Cool "white cross" mark on sidehull - 100 % mockery and humilitation )))

 

[Aragorn2002]

2 hours ago, Haiduk said:

 

PPS. The attack was conducted in the anniversary of "Novorossiysk" battlesip destroying on 29th Oct 1955 - former Italian battleship "Giulio Cesare" was blown up probably by Italian diversants on mini-submarine directly in the bay of Sevastopol. This was biggest disaster of Black Sea Fleet, which took 617 lives 

Never heard of that before. According to the official story it was a German mine which sank this ship.