Erwin Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Noticed that the WW2 German 8-wheeled 234/x vehicles reverse at a slower speed than forward in the game. However, they have a rear-facing driver so they could travel as fast in reverse(?) "The vehicle had eight-wheel steering and was able to quickly change direction thanks to a second, rear-facing, driver's seat; the transmission had six forward and reverse gears. The Sd.Kfz. 232 employed an unusual dual driver arrangement, with one driver seated at each end of the vehicle. This allowed the vehicle to be driven in either direction (forward or backward) with equal ease." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Man those nits must be itching! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artkin Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Nah this is the kind of thing you pay for and expect to be right. Otherwise whats the point of meticulously researching everything 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Sgt.Squarehead said: Man those nits must be itching! Are you the new moderator or just trying to get more likes from your little friends? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 (edited) I might well ask you precisely the same question. Let's put it another way.....Would you like to see 'Fire & Rubble' delayed while the primary programmer re-writes the movement code for one vehicle type (with 4 sub-variants) across several CM titles? Because that what it sounds like you are asking for. Edited January 21, 2021 by Sgt.Squarehead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 22 minutes ago, Sgt.Squarehead said: I might well ask you precisely the same question. Let's put it another way.....Would you like to see 'Fire & Rubble' delayed while the primary programmer re-writes the movement code for one vehicle type (with 4 sub-variants) across several CM titles? Because that what it sounds like you are asking for. Of course not. But that's not Erwin's point. He just mentions something he noticed. As a valued and long time member of this forum he's entitled to speak his mind about it. No need to be hostile about that. Besides, there's no shortage of excuses for the endless delay of Fire and Rubble. Oeps, there I go again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 No, seriously, if it's something you want to be changed, that is precisely what you are asking.....Pixies & Fairies ain't going to make it happen because you guys wish it so! Let's be honest.....The reversing speed of a particular armoured car, is not exactly the biggest issue with CM as it stands, there are many others.....Which to his credit @Erwin has pointed out. However.....How many complaints threads do we really need? What do they actually do for the wider community? Can you make an AAR of a complaint? Why not try using what already we have to make something instead? That way the time until 'Fire & Rubble' might seem to go a bit quicker. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sgt.Squarehead said: No, seriously, if it's something you want to be changed, that is precisely what you are asking.....Pixies & Fairies ain't going to make it happen because you guys wish it so! Let's be honest.....The reversing speed of a particular armoured car, is not exactly the biggest issue with CM as it stands, there are many others.....Which to his credit @Erwin has pointed out. However.....How many complaints threads do we really need? What do they actually do for the wider community? Can you make an AAR of a complaint? Why not try using what already we have to make something instead? That way the time until 'Fire & Rubble' might seem to go a bit quicker. I see your point, but defining justified frustration or justified criticism as malicious complaining also doesn't do any good for the wider community. And yet that's more and more what's happening. Edited January 21, 2021 by Aragorn2002 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danfrodo Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Those 234 ACs always seemed to me like the most over designed, expensive things I'd ever seen. I like shooting holes in them. Then they have the correct speed forward & reverse, zero. Maybe it's an easily fixed patch repair now that someone noticed it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 18 minutes ago, danfrodo said: Those 234 ACs always seemed to me like the most over designed, expensive things I'd ever seen. I like shooting holes in them. Then they have the correct speed forward & reverse, zero. Maybe it's an easily fixed patch repair now that someone noticed it. A man of drastic measures. I like your style. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornGinger Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Sgt.Squarehead said: Pixies & Fairies ain't going to make it happen This made me think of the little tune Fairies wear boots by Black Sabbath. Now I just have to go to Youtube and listen to it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacillator Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Just now, BornGinger said: This made me think of the little tune Fairies wear boots by Black Sabbath. Now I just have to go to Youtube and listen to it. See you back here in a few hours (or days) . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted January 22, 2021 Author Share Posted January 22, 2021 The reason I noticed the poor reverse speed is that while playing a scenario with several of the 8-wheelers the recon mods that seems to work is to FAST move one down a road towards a suspected ambush, and the just b4 that suspected danger zone, slam it into reverse. Most times, an ambusher will use small arms and reveal himself, or if there is an AT weapon it is likely to miss if the vehicle can reverse fast enuff. These AC's were designed to travel as fast in reverse with a rear-facing driver as forwards. Hence my thought that reverse speed is something to add to the wish list - and IIRC all titles feature these AC's not just CMRT. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckdyke Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 12 hours ago, Erwin said: Noticed that the WW2 German 8-wheeled 234/x vehicles reverse at a slower speed than forward in the game. However, they have a rear-facing driver so they could travel as fast in reverse(?) "The vehicle had eight-wheel steering and was able to quickly change direction thanks to a second, rear-facing, driver's seat; the transmission had six forward and reverse gears. The Sd.Kfz. 232 employed an unusual dual driver arrangement, with one driver seated at each end of the vehicle. This allowed the vehicle to be driven in either direction (forward or backward) with equal ease." The two drivers could also panic and try to drive at the same time? Don't take this question to serieus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 5 hours ago, chuckdyke said: The two drivers could also panic and try to drive at the same time? Don't take this question to serieus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted January 22, 2021 Author Share Posted January 22, 2021 I do wonder how the rear driver would take control - or maybe the system works like in student driver cars, where the instructor can override the student. So, the rear driver would actually have the override control. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Erwin said: I do wonder how the rear driver would take control - or maybe the system works like in student driver cars, where the instructor can override the student. So, the rear driver would actually have the override control. I think it was the great Helmut Schmidt who once made a joke about the Italian army when he was told about the high reverse speed of the new German Leopard tank... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicky Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Can it hunt in reverse? Similar to the arse-about-face coding condundrums presented by the Valentine Archer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckdyke Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 12 hours ago, Wicky said: Can it hunt in reverse? Similar to the arse-about-face coding condundrums presented by the Valentine Archer. Another flaw I experienced to keep out of effective range you would reverse the German big cats to maintain their superiority of their guns. Sure, you can reverse but unlike hunt the reaction to stop and fire is significantly slower or not at all. I don't think it can hunt in reverse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 On 1/21/2021 at 7:21 PM, Sgt.Squarehead said: Would you like to see 'Fire & Rubble' delayed while the primary programmer re-writes the movement code for one vehicle type (with 4 sub-variants) across several CM titles? To be fair, it wouldn't need re-writing any code. Just typing in a different movement speed for the reverse gear. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, Bulletpoint said: To be fair, it wouldn't need re-writing any code. Just typing in a different movement speed for the reverse gear. I think the Sarge is trying to say that even the simplest adjustment can result in serious delay nowadays... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, Aragorn2002 said: I think the Sarge is trying to say that even the simplest adjustment can result in serious delay nowadays... That's also what I tell my boss when I don't feel like working 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted January 23, 2021 Author Share Posted January 23, 2021 No one is expecting BF to stop everything to fix minor problems that may be more complex than they are worth. As us old-timers know, there are many such items that have accumulated over the past 13 years. It's simply one more item to add to the list - even if it takes a new CM3 engine to get them addressed. But, at least the items can be known so that new players don't have to keep "reinventing the wheel" of discovering them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Erwin said: But, at least the items can be known so that new players don't have to keep "reinventing the wheel" of discovering them. Absolutely.....But surely, in that case, just the one thread might work better? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danfrodo Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 It's also about distribution of said fix. BFC probably has 50+ fixes it wants to do. This is what patches are for. Collect a bunch of fixes and publish all together. They certainly can't just fix little things like this and put out a new version because some not very important APC reverses too slowly -- they'd have dozens of code versions in no time, a maintenence and support nightmare. Of course, maybe that particular APC had transmission issue and just needs maintenence (kidding), given it's an over-designed, absurdly expensive vehicle in the first place. Considering my main use for this vehicle is recon-by-death, I am not concerned, though I respect that some find this intolerable. this is the great blessing and curse of BFC community. Folks here really, really know their stuff. And they are really, really picky. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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