BFCElvis Posted July 21, 2020 Author Share Posted July 21, 2020 This team trying to get the AT rifle back can't catch a break either. He's pinned down pretty quickly. Fortunately the Sherman has a line of fire to the offending unit and suppresses it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFCElvis Posted July 21, 2020 Author Share Posted July 21, 2020 Meanwhile, up near Berliner Weisse, he is moving infantry toward where I plan to bring those 2 platoons. It seems they are coming from where the attrition happened earlier in the battle. I saw a lot of red crosses during that. So hopefully they are just beat up inits. I sure wish I had an OT-34 up there to burn them up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macisle Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Oof. Carnage. Hang in there! -Hope there is no waypoint wonkiness with your ATG teams. Sometimes, they go a-wonderin'... Where exactly are you planning to position them? I'm sweating it for them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFCElvis Posted July 22, 2020 Author Share Posted July 22, 2020 27 minutes ago, Macisle said: Oof. Carnage. Hang in there! -Hope there is no waypoint wonkiness with your ATG teams. Sometimes, they go a-wonderin'... Where exactly are you planning to position them? I'm sweating it for them. I'm putting it right here. And I'll have sight lines in the direction of the arrows. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macisle Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 2 hours ago, BFCElvis said: I'm putting it right here. And I'll have sight lines in the direction of the arrows. Thanks for the pic! On the pro side, that little rise in the ground between the ATG team and the street looks to perhaps offer a small bit of protection/concealment vs a taller tank on the street. Also, staying there avoids your guys lining up along a wall in the alley, which generally seems to narrow an ATG crew's view and actually put them at a disadvantage versus an AFV's spotting speed (one with 4-5 men, anyway). On the con side, they probably won't be able to react and turn quickly enough to counter any threats from the right or rear. Frontally, that close range is dicey for an ATG. A passing tank may be too fast for the ATG to spot and get a shot off. On the other hand, if the enemy has any hidden eyes on the ATG, he could pre-turn a tank's turret with a covered arc, dash in and start pummelling the ATG's position with area fire before it can react. I use that technique a lot when kicking the tires on my urban map. I'm not saying there are any better alternatives...just analyzing. Pondering my ATG testing on my urban map, I generally like to have a minimum of 5-6 action squares of distance to the expected point of contact to give the ATG time to spot and get a shot. In my experience, ATGs tend to lose point blank encounters. Jest pondering. I guess the most important thing at this point is to get them set up and ready. Any chance of having some infantry out of sight in the alley at grenade range in case he tries a rush attack like I mentioned above? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFCElvis Posted July 23, 2020 Author Share Posted July 23, 2020 Finally my main man is able to begin buddy aid to try and get the AT rifle back. I really want to get a shot at that SPW 251/21 with one of those things. Then a very unexpected thing happens. He brings the armored car starts moving on Jagermeister. My fist thought is that it must be out of ammo from hammering me so badly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFCElvis Posted July 23, 2020 Author Share Posted July 23, 2020 Nope. He has at least 1 round yet that he fires as he rolls closer to Jagermeister. I guess he is planning to sacrifice it for intel. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFCElvis Posted July 23, 2020 Author Share Posted July 23, 2020 Sacrifice it he did. @Macisle's concern about the placement of the AT was well founded. I've lost a man to those nasty buggers that continue to nag me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFCElvis Posted July 23, 2020 Author Share Posted July 23, 2020 The Sherman has been providing some decent covering fire to the AT Rifle guy working the buddy aid. An enemy unit keeps popping up and taking some pot shots at the team and Sherman suppresses them quickly. However, it appears that he's dropping some mortar fire on the Sherman location. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFCElvis Posted July 23, 2020 Author Share Posted July 23, 2020 He also appears to be moving more armor toward Jagermeister. It looks like the Mark IV that was overwatching the park near Berliner Weisse is moving into action......Or that's my guess anyway. If so, that will help my human wave assault on Berliner Weisse when the time comes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFCElvis Posted July 26, 2020 Author Share Posted July 26, 2020 The mortars ...or heck, they be grenades...or whatever are making my Sherman uncomfortable. I've sat in this place for too long. Time to move it out. But then.....Are you kidding me? That damn SPW 251/21. Can I just catch a break once? Is that asking too much? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFCElvis Posted July 26, 2020 Author Share Posted July 26, 2020 You miss 100% of the shots that you don't take. As @Macisle predicted. Tank rolling right past. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexUK Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 25 minutes ago, BFCElvis said: The mortars ...or heck, they be grenades...or whatever are making my Sherman uncomfortable. I've sat in this place for too long. Time to move it out. But then.....Are you kidding me? That damn SPW 251/21. Can I just catch a break once? Is that asking too much? Nice shots! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFCElvis Posted July 26, 2020 Author Share Posted July 26, 2020 I did catch a break. @Aragorn2002 you finally got to see a screenshot of the SPW 251/21. Now here is one of it blowing up and one of it burning. And the Sherman is high tailing it out of there while it still can. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtsjc1 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Well I'll give him credit for having the balls to stick his head out there against a Sherman. Predictable result though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFCElvis Posted July 26, 2020 Author Share Posted July 26, 2020 Up by Berliner Weisse I'm back to seeing a lot of lead in the air. My fresh platoons are still at 100%. I believe, and I know that I could be dead wrong, that the infantry I'm shooting at is in roughed up shape and there won't be the kind of attriting (is that a real word?) that there was last time. I see some red crosses and there isn't a lot of return fire. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFCElvis Posted July 26, 2020 Author Share Posted July 26, 2020 @Macisle was spot on about the fate of the AT Gun crew. Unexpectedly a Mark IV came through a gap in the buildings and took them all out with one shot. Here appears to be gathering his armor along this street. Gotta keep an eye on that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macisle Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 2 hours ago, BFCElvis said: @Macisle was spot on about the fate of the AT Gun crew. Unexpectedly a Mark IV came through a gap in the buildings and took them all out with one shot. Here appears to be gathering his armor along this street. Gotta keep an eye on that. Bummer, but yeah -- ATGs are pretty specialty-use. They need to have an optimized situation to spot and land the first shot. Also, in current CM, they can be at an unrealistic additional disadvantage in terms of spotting and reaction time in some situations versus AFVs. That, and it seems like they tend to putz around loading a round when they spot something, while tanks seem to always have a round ready. As things stand, the stock map design concept along with a ruined city setting is pretty much a worst-case environment for ATGs in current CM. AFVs are at a big, unnatural advantage in that environment. Historically, a ruined urban environment was a great place to hide an ATG for tank ambushes. In the pics posted, I'm not seeing many places to achieve something that feels like it has a reasonable chance of that historical application. I'd say the Soviet player's best bet -- assuming the abundance of independent buildings, rubble mounds and the resulting pathfinding actually allow for it, is to have close assault teams stationed for ambush at every potential AFV entry point, assuming they can put there without falling under enemy LOS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 11 hours ago, BFCElvis said: I did catch a break. @Aragorn2002 you finally got to see a screenshot of the SPW 251/21. Now here is one of it blowing up and one of it burning. And the Sherman is high tailing it out of there while it still can. Even now it looks good. Well, thank you for chosing this beauty in the first place. Much appreciated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFCElvis Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 The tank that knocked out the AT gun backed into the opening it came out of. One of my mortars can see the opening but not the tank. I'm going to drop some 82mm rounds on the area and see if I can get lucky. He's laying down a lot of smoke by that opening and I'm anticipating the next bit of aggravation to come from there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFCElvis Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 I've noticed more sound contacts than I am comfortable with heading toward the end of the buildings on my side of the park. I did get a hard contact as a unit was moving into a building and managed to plink a guy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFCElvis Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 I've been doing a good job of moving my healthy platoons into position without losing anyone. Not easy considering his move forward. I've been assembling some in an area that feels very safe at the moment and I want them to do some buddy aid to gather up all of the ammo they can get their hands on. I'm also calling in the off board 82mm mortar and have it cover as much of Berliner Weisse. This will take 6 minutes to arrive. There are 20 minutes left in the battle. My hope is that even if it doesn't cause any casualties if will shake him enough to get a foothold on the objective. I am guessing that he is pretty well entrenched in the objective and getting him out may be a pipe dream. If that's the case then getting some ground there will be playing for a draw. The 6 minutes gives me plenty of time to set up and human wave and work on gathering ammo A weird thing that is backing up my guess that the units he's been moving forward aren't in the best of shape. The spotted German unit in the first screenshot is being fired on but they've stopped firing back. Is it an ammo issue since when we were atriting earlier? My units from that time have ammo but they're all broken. Like the HQ unit that is calling in the arty mentioned above. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danfrodo Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 If you launch desperate human wave attack you just gotta save it as video 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFCElvis Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 36 minutes ago, danfrodo said: If you launch desperate human wave attack you just gotta save it as video It'll be a bloodbath but isn't that what human waves were historically? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkerner Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 I agree 100% with danfrodo. Video, or it didn't happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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