user1000 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 50mm ATG if it hit in the right place, but anything bigger easily. Jackson's best defense is to shoot first from long range. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warts 'n' all Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Perhaps it hit an invisible "Stonewall". I thought I'd get in first before anyone else says it. Exits stage right Limey tongue in cheek. ---------> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Wenman Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 That's not a M-36 P 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 11 minutes ago, Pete Wenman said: That's not a M-36 Ah, I thought it looked kinda funny, but didn't slow down enough to figure out why. M18 right? What's that thing on the back of the turret pointing up at the sky? Not an MG I don't think. Looks to me like a small recoilless rifle, but maybe just some random post-explosion junk. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 AT mine maybe? Seems to have taken a hit to its left side, with the metal twisted upwards. Not sure if they used delayed fuze mines in WW2 or if the frozen ground delayed triggering the mine until it was on the side of the tank. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Ruddd Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 A book I have, Images Of War: Battle Of The Bulge states that is was artillery that knocked them out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sublime Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 (edited) I was about to say what bulletpoint pointed out. You see metal turned up and out on the left side. Id guess either the answer above is correct or something shot a shell or shaped charge into its left side and it caused a large explosion.. Ill tell you for sure what the GIs are saying in back "88s fellas right here see what they do?" "Ah shove it joe, when is ordinance picking up this crap so we can get some chow and look for some lonely frauleins?" Edited October 5, 2016 by Sublime 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicky Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 I'd guess Artillery fire took out the M-18 Hellcat ;-) http://histomil.com/viewtopic.php?t=9427&start=230 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user1000 Posted October 5, 2016 Author Share Posted October 5, 2016 Hellcat my bad. Thanks for posting the link, to me it looked like HE landed on the front of it, but maybe just fire but then again I do see left side is bent up. I will probably learn toward an 88 as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Crowley Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 (edited) Zaloga's book, Armored Attack 1944, states that the TD belonged to the 704th TD Battalion and was hit by German artillery on 29 December on the southern approaches to Bastogne. Edited October 5, 2016 by James Crowley 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkerner Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 No, it was most certainly a Tiger, I'm sure of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sublime Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 "Honest injun sir - it was a whole mob of SS with king tigers and 88s what could we do?" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Hellcat used a M4 Sherman petrol radial engine (not diesel like M10) and its armor barely even stopped mg rounds. So set it on fire one way or another and eventually the stowed rounds will cook off. Hellcat didn't use Sherman 'wet' stowage, did it? I honestly don't know. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 I question the artillery hypothesis because the adjacent trees show no signs of it. Even if you suppose that a hit on the left side of the vehicle broke the running gear on that side causing the TD to swerve violently to the left before it stopped (check out the vehicle trace in the snow), that still puts it too close to the trees for them to show no sign, I would think. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Ruddd Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 17 hours ago, Michael Emrys said: Ah, I thought it looked kinda funny, but didn't slow down enough to figure out why. M18 right? What's that thing on the back of the turret pointing up at the sky? Not an MG I don't think. Looks to me like a small recoilless rifle, but maybe just some random post-explosion junk. Michael Looks like a M1919 .30 machine gun, larger image here: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/53/03/68/530368219c5449d8fcfbe3517a7f98b6.jpg 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 5 hours ago, Douglas Ruddd said: Looks like a M1919 .30 machine gun, larger image here: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/53/03/68/530368219c5449d8fcfbe3517a7f98b6.jpg Yeah, I suppose. The jacket for the barrel just looked a little big. Interesting improvisation. Looks like they took a standard infantry setup, tripod and all, and welded it onto the turret. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sublime Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Im sure if we had thousands more pictures or if cameras were as plentiful and good quality then as now we.d see thousands of really interesting add ons from crews to their tanks. Im sure from idiotic to brilliant that never got adopted widespread, and im sure some were even for flair (tank girls sherman got those umbrellas somewhere!) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warts 'n' all Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Given the fact that we were misinformed that this is a Jackson, my invisible "Stonewall" option has gone out of the window, if that isn't too much of a mixed metaphor. So being a Limey I am now going for the crew suffering from a surfeit of Brussel/Bruxelles sprouts. And their farts causing an implosion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 8 hours ago, Warts 'n' all said: So being a Limey I am now going for the crew suffering from a surfeit of Brussel/Bruxelles sprouts. And their farts causing an implosion. A reasonable supposition. However, the accumulated gas would require some means of ignition, so I propose that the crew had recently liberated a German cache of cigars and when one of the crewmen tried to light up, the inevitable transpired. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warts 'n' all Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 12 hours ago, Michael Emrys said: A reasonable supposition. However, the accumulated gas would require some means of ignition, so I propose that the crew had recently liberated a German cache of cigars and when one of the crewmen tried to light up, the inevitable transpired. Michael Hahaha... Brilliant! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 (edited) user1000, Clearly, the destruction of the M18 and the command halftrack is directly traceable to failure to follow the clear 100 yard interval distances decreed by the sign in the second pic at the link Wicky so kindly provided. Pic four in that series shows a pair of M8s doing the exact same stupid thing. http://histomil.com/viewtopic.php?t=9427&start=230 Regards, John Kettler Edited October 7, 2016 by John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 (edited) 6 hours ago, John Kettler said: command halftrack Command halftrack? I don't think so. It looks more like an M15A1 GMC to me. The barrel of the 37mm is kind of hard to miss, although I concede that the pulpit is strangely non-standard. Michael Edited October 8, 2016 by Michael Emrys 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user1000 Posted October 8, 2016 Author Share Posted October 8, 2016 (edited) you know i missed the fact that the the track is off, landmine? Would they even work int he winter with frozen ground? Edited October 8, 2016 by user1000 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicky Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Depends if it's a type emplaced below ground (difficult to do if ground is frozen when laid) or a type laid above ground (more easily spotted). Fuses and mines may fail to detonate if moisture enters mechanisms. Effectiveness in snow - problem activating fuses in soft snow / soft ground (thaw) conditions without a firm base and even if activated the snow can dampen resulting explosion 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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