user1000 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) The TO&E List Must be huge, why? Well for the American side every vehicle that was used in the beginning of the war is still being used plus the entrance of the chafee, jackson,m4a3e2(Jumbo Sherman) hellcat, Easy 8 and more. Patton arrives in the operation with some heavy stuff as well finally. Not sure what KG Peiper has.. I have the strategy game Close Combat: Wact Am Rhein from Matrix and lists all vehicles and half-tracks from both sides used pretty accurately in the bulge theater. Edited December 13, 2015 by user1000 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobetco Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Well not every vehicle, no Grant/Lees, that'd be silly anyways. *dreams of a CMFI vehicle pack* 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user1000 Posted December 13, 2015 Author Share Posted December 13, 2015 The French resistance/army were given some Grants or Lee's by the US during ww2 that were no longer used when the sherman took over, what battles they ever saw is unknown 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 I do believe some stuff did get dumped. Mostly German. Let me think.Most of the exotic (CMBN modules) German armor on French chasses got left behind at Falaise. No more Porsche turret KTs, no more PzIV G models, no more 'letterbox' bow mg Panthers. Steve was even of a mind to delete all Panther A models entirely! GASP! I tried to argue against it but every Bulge and late war picture book I found had nothing but page-after-page of Panther G models. I was flabbergasted. Panther A finally did get saved mostly because it was already textured, but A model is deemphasized in the TO&E. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Yup, lots of stuff people are used to having aren't there any more. But, of course, there's new stuff. Flame spewing Hetzers, Jagdtiger, M24 Chaffee, more Jumbo models, etc. are all present and accounted for.There's some stuff that the Germans and Americans aren't getting quite yet. Some stuff that was theoretically available in this time period was either still in the pipeline (mostly Allies having problems getting stuff to the front) or were on a different front during this time. Remember, some of the rare vehicles that the Germans had were highly unit specific and if the unit wasn't in the West at this time, it's not in the game yet. The SPW 234/4 comes to mind. It was in action January 1945, just not against the US and therefore it will come out later.Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMac Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I do believe some stuff did get dumped. Mostly German. Let me think.Most of the exotic (CMBN modules) German armor on French chasses got left behind at Falaise. No more Porsche turret KTs, no more PzIV G models, no more 'letterbox' bow mg Panthers. Steve was even of a mind to delete all Panther A models entirely! GASP! I tried to argue against it but every Bulge and late war picture book I found had nothing but page-after-page of Panther G models. I was flabbergasted. Panther A finally did get saved mostly because it was already textured, but A model is deemphasized in the TO&E.If CM:FB is from Oct 44'-Jan 45', then there might still be a fair amount of Panther A Models in Oct-Nov.Joe 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 there might still be a fair amount of Panther A Models in Oct-Nov.Yeh, mostly lining the road out of Falaise. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user1000 Posted December 14, 2015 Author Share Posted December 14, 2015 (edited) Here is the stuff I can think of for Axis, that was in fact in the bulge.Half-TracksAll of the Sdkfzs you could imagine.. There were tons of models made from ones with cannons and rockets to flame throwers.Tanksstugg iii gpanzer iv J,G,Hgrillepanther Gjagdpanzer38(t)panzer iv/70stuh 42jagdpantherCannonsleIG18 inf Gun AT Gunpak 75/40 AT Gunpak 43 (88) AT Gun Edited December 14, 2015 by user1000 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisND Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Here is my last vehicle art tracking list: M15A1M16M20M8 (early)M8 (mid)M21M2A1M3M3 (.50cal)M3 (x2 MMG)M3A1M3A1 (x2 MMG)M4A1M12 GMCM7B1 PriestM8 HMCM24 ChaffeeM4 Sherman CrabM4(105) (mid)M4(75) (late)M4A1(75) (late)M4A1(76)W (early)M4A3(105) (early)M4A3(105) (mid)M4A3(75)M4A3(75)W (early)M4A3(75)W (mid)M4A3(75)W (mid) (flame)M4A3(76)W (early)M4A3E2(75) (flame) JumboM4A3E2(75) JumboM4A3E2(76) JumboM4A3E8(105) (late) HVSSM4A3E8(76)W HVSSM4E8(105) (late) HVSSM5A1 (late)M10 GMCM10 GMC (late)M18 GMCM36 GMCM36B1 GMCGMC CCKW 2.5 ton truckJeepJeep (.50 cal)Jeep (MMG)Jeep (radio)Flakpanzer 38(t)MobelwagonSdkfz 10/5Sdkfz 7/1Sdkfz 7/2WirbelwindPSW 222PSW 223PSW 231PSW 233PSW 234/1PSW 234/2 PumaPSW 234/3SPW 250/1 AltSPW 250/1 NeuSPW 250/10 AltSPW 250/10 NeuSPW 250/3 AltSPW 250/3 NeuSPW 250/7 AltSPW 250/7 NeuSPW 250/9 AltSPW 250/9 NeuSPW 251/1 Ausf. CSPW 251/1 Ausf. DSPW 251/2 Ausf. CSPW 251/2 Ausf. DSPW 251/10 Ausf. CSPW 251/10 Ausf. DSPW 251/16 Ausf. DSPW 251/17 Ausf. DSPW 251/21 Ausf. DSPW 251/3 Ausf. CSPW 251/3 Ausf. DSPW 251/7 Ausf. CSPW 251/7 Ausf. DSPW 251/9 Ausf. CSPW 251/9 Ausf. DBrummbar (late)Brummbar (mid)StuG IIIG (early)StuG IIIG (late)StuG IIIG (latest)StuG IIIG (mid)StuH 42 (early)StuH 42 (late)StuH 42 (latest)StuH 42 (mid)SturmtigerWespe HummelGrille (early)Panther A (late)Panther A (mid)Panther G (early)Panther G (late)Panther G (mid)Pz IV H (early)Pz IV H (late)Pz IV J (early)Pz IV J (late)PzIIL LynxTiger I (late)Tiger I (latest)Tiger I (mid)Tiger II (Henschell)Hetzer (flamethrower)Hetzer (late)HetzerJagdpantherJagdtigerJPz IV (early)JPz IV (late)JPz IV (mid)JPz IV/70(A)JPz IV/70(V)JPz IV/70(V) (late)Marder IMarder IIMarder IIIMNashorn (late)KubelwagonProtz 70Opel Blitz 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequoia Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Thanks for the list. Were there ever any Elefants later on the Western Front? I have a feeling it's unlikely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASL Veteran Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Thanks for the list. Were there ever any Elefants later on the Western Front? I have a feeling it's unlikely.The last Elephants ended the war in the East. I think they finally expired somewhere in Slovakia although I'm not positive of that. I can look it up though I guess. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequoia Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 The last Elephants ended the war in the East. I think they finally expired somewhere in Slovakia although I'm not positive of that. I can look it up though I guess.I bet you're right but one of the reasons I'm asking is I have an old Panzerblitz scenario based on Patton's raid on the Hammelberg POW camp that has a reduced armor variant of an Elefant unit. I always wondered if that was remotely accurate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I believe 4 elephants of the 614th actually survived to fight in the battle for Berlin! Or at least the general Konigswursthausen/Zossen/Berlin areas. None survived, of course. 12 Elephants of the 653rd were still alive at the end of August '44 near Krakow. During the Russian offensive of 12 January '45 all Elephant were lost - either destroyed or breakdowns. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rastamon Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 List looks great ChrisND. Really looking forward to CMFB. Do we get to see the 20mm version of the 251/21 and the later version of the 251/9 Stummel with the 75mm mounted on the roof? There's photo evidence of both of those during the Bulge.Looking forward to the Schwimmwagen in the future module. ;-) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user1000 Posted December 15, 2015 Author Share Posted December 15, 2015 (edited) What about new HVAP rounds and special ammo for each side? There seems to have been many armored 1/4ton .50cal jeeps in the bulge as well. Plates probably did nothing against small arms. Edited December 15, 2015 by user1000 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duckman Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Like others have said, almost all of the German stuff was new production which means there was less exotica than in Normandy. On the Allied side it was probably more varied since some units had e.g. 75 mm Shermans that were still running. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASL Veteran Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I bet you're right but one of the reasons I'm asking is I have an old Panzerblitz scenario based on Patton's raid on the Hammelberg POW camp that has a reduced armor variant of an Elefant unit. I always wondered if that was remotely accurate. I don't even know what a reduced armor Elefant variant would be. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 A Nashorn? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequoia Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Heh, yeah a Nashorn would be a no armor Elefant allright.. The unit in the scenario definitely says Ferdinand. Its in Avalon Hill General Volume 31 issue 6. I'm thinking some one with a handle of ASL veteran may have the issue as its the ASL Kampfgruppe Peiper Issue. It could just be some fantasy element added by the scenario designer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobetco Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 (edited) Off topic it would be really nice to have access to Trucks filled with Mortar Ammo in the supply platoons. Edited December 15, 2015 by Cobetco 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASL Veteran Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Heh, yeah a Nashorn would be a no armor Elefant allright.. The unit in the scenario definitely says Ferdinand. Its in Avalon Hill General Volume 31 issue 6. I'm thinking some one with a handle of ASL veteran may have the issue as its the ASL Kampfgruppe Peiper Issue. It could just be some fantasy element added by the scenario designer. Oddly enough I only bought the original game. It wasn't necessary for me to buy ASL and all the extras because my friend had all of that stuff. My friend probably would have that issue since he was proud that he had a 'complete' collection and maintained it until very recently. I was fairly lucky because I had access to several opponents growing up, but alas, that was a long time ago in a state that is now far far away. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karabekian Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Still no Stug IV? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobetco Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Still no Stug IV?oh yeah those were a thing. maybe if we get a vehicle pack #2 for Normandy since there is still a bunch of junk that was kinda floating around that hasn't been modeled like the wasp, or the small contingent of Free French that was around. but eh, not everything is needed, i would very much like to see a m4a1w with HVSS but eh, its not a nessissary thing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequoia Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 oh yeah those were a thing. maybe if we get a vehicle pack #2 for Normandy since there is still a bunch of junk that was kinda floating around that hasn't been modeled like the wasp, or the small contingent of Free French that was around. but eh, not everything is needed, i would very much like to see a m4a1w with HVSS but eh, its not a nessissary thing.No No! We completists need those things! Cobetco, are those illustrations you've been posting your own? They're great. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobetco Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 (edited) best part of toe Edited December 23, 2015 by Cobetco 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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