kensal Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 You're the one that I want Oo oo oo You're the one that I want Oo oo oo You're the one that I need, oh yes indeed... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mord Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I am right there with you. That was the first vehicle I looked for on the German list. Mord. P.S. Those hot pants really set off your hips. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I've been inside a Hetzer. To say I understand the German complaints about crew comfort would be an overstatement since I've not bounced around in one while under enemy fire. However, I can say that I've found other AFVs more comfortable. Sitting in a Swedish S-Tank was quite the opposite experience! Swedes apparently don't like to be uncomfortable Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kensal Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 I always understood they were quite popular vehicles with crews due to their ease of concealment and low profile 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Somewhere on the web there's a first person German account about commanding Hetzer. The commander wasn't exactly kind. Most of the little vehicle's current cachet seems to come from hobbyists in the early 1970s who thought it looked 'cool' 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HistoryLover Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Somewhere on the web there's a first person German account about commanding Hetzer. The commander wasn't exactly kind. Most of the little vehicle's current cachet seems to come from hobbyists in the early 1970s who thought it looked 'cool' http://www.pzfahrer.net/index.html Hated by the crews, but judged as surprisingly successful. Which is understandable: small, a good and fast gun, quick and good front armor (60 mm@60° - that is more than 120 mm effective thickness!). This also fits to the data on that homepage, that it even should have become the base for a universal German AFV, replacing all others, if the problems with the rigid gun could have been solved. Producing four Hetzer for a single Panther would have been a dramatic boost for German defensive capabilities. Btw: does anyone know, if the problem with a rigid gun has ever been solved? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Migo441 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Love the Hetzer. Can't wait to see it in CMx2 action. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tux Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 This also fits to the data on that homepage, that it even should have become the base for a universal German AFV, replacing all others... I find it hard to believe this. The 'universal AFV' you mention would be the Czech-designed Pz38(t) and it came first. The JPz 38(t), which was nicknamed "Hetzer" sometime post-war, was based on the Pz 38(t) chassis which was very highly thought of but too small to mount a full, late-war tank on. Also, JPz 38(t) was a competent light TD but it would have been no replacement for any full tank in the Panzer Divisions, let alone Panther. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cymru Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Real senior moment (day) for me! I am thinking 'why is everyone so big on the Hetzer, it never struck me as that good'. Finally look it up: I have been seeing a Marder in my mind all day! Calls for another celebratory glass of Glenfarclas 105. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkerner Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Real senior moment (day) for me! I am thinking 'why is everyone so big on the Hetzer, it never struck me as that good'. Finally look it up: I have been seeing a Marder in my mind all day! Calls for another celebratory glass of Glenfarclas 105. I feel your...senior moment. When I see Hetzer, I usually think Jadgpanzer IV. What's the big deal, I ask myself, they look pretty much the same. But then, so did Yassir Arafat and Ringo Starr. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
76mm Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 hetzer looks cool and all, but my recollection from cmbb days was that it held very few AP rounds and was therefore almost useless? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 "Hetzer" name was during the war. It had other names, too, but they didn't last long. (Admittedly, it seems the German high command spent more time trying to figure out nomenclature rather than studying actual strategy, but I digress.) I crawled over/around the one at Aberdeen. Tiny: I cannot imagine 4 men fighting inside of that machine with it buttoned up. Ken 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew H. Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Wasn't there also a Flammhetzer? At Ft. Knox - many years ago now - they had a running Hetzer that they used in their annual July 4 mock tank battles. I climbed inside; it was kind of like a minivan with an big gun running down the middle. (It's slightly off center - but I think the breech of the gun is near the middle of the Hetzer, making things kind of cramped.) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MG TOW Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Hetzers had a postwar life too. I believe the Swiss used them for a time. Its a little known fact that after the ill fated Hamelburg raid, surviving US tank crewman claimed to have had a run in with a platoon of jagpanthers. After the war when all the pieces were put together it turned out to actually be a depleted company of 11 Hetzers rushed to the battle by rail... OK thats my Cliff Claven moment for the day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLSTK Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Hetzer meets Motorhead: Note: The dialogue is overdubbed in Russian. The clip is taken from the movie "Lemmy" (available from a popular internet-based subscription service). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-kKLZH0xlE 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLSTK Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 I'm not sure which is more terrifying. The man or the machine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee_Vincent Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Regardless, the side armor was horrible and the lower front glacis plate not so good either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Migo441 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 @76mm, from what I can gather, their ammo capacity wasn't unusually low (and was comparable to StuGIII and Marder). But what really stood out (as ck3 and Andrew mention) was the horrible ergonomics. I'm guessing the ROF will be noticeably slower than comparable vehicles. On the plus side, proven chassis and reliability (not too relevant for CM), small profile, good main gun, and good armor protection on the upper front glacis. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLSTK Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 And then there's the cachet of being the one tank chosen by Lemmy to lead his Legion of Doom. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLSTK Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Then again, it's probably just the uniform. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Wasn't there also a Flammhetzer? At Ft. Knox - many years ago now - they had a running Hetzer that they used in their annual July 4 mock tank battles. I climbed inside; it was kind of like a minivan with an big gun running down the middle. (It's slightly off center - but I think the breech of the gun is near the middle of the Hetzer, making things kind of cramped.) That's the one I was in Thanks to a tester who was a Battalion XO we got a really sweet tour by the curator of the museum. Besides being able to climb into anything we wanted, we got the "back lot" tour of all the stuff that nobody gets to see. You have no idea how many things they have tucked away in storage! Oh, there was one exception to our free reign exploration. "Don't go in that Chinese such and such. The dials are painted in Uranium, so if you go in there your children may turn out to be mutants". Or something like that Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurrp Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 I feel like this little thing is going to turn out amazing. Don't know why. While it has its flaws, I foresee it will become a player favorite. Of course, I could be quite wrong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bil Hardenberger Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 That's the one I was in Thanks to a tester who was a Battalion XO we got a really sweet tour by the curator of the museum. Besides being able to climb into anything we wanted, we got the "back lot" tour of all the stuff that nobody gets to see. You have no idea how many things they have tucked away in storage! Steve, they moved most of the Ft. Knox and Aberdeen Proving Ground armor collections to Ft. Benning.. I toured it yesterday. Its called the Armor Museum Restoration Shop... they were working on an M2 Light Tank turret while I was there. The place is simply incredible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Yeah, I had heard about that move! I wasn't sure how much of the stuff had already been relocated. BTW, the Jaques Littlefield collection is moving East to Massachusetts. Well, most of it anyway. A big chunk of the collection is going to be sold off to raise cash for the move, the new museum in Stow (IIRC), and an endowment for the future preservation. Not surprisingly they are going to keep the Panther Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLSTK Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 I feel like this little thing is going to turn out amazing. Don't know why. While it has its flaws, I foresee it will become a player favorite. Of course, I could be quite wrong. If it's good enough for Lemmy, it's good enough for me! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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