M1A1TC Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 What type of defensive fortifications will be available? Will Dragon teeth etc. be in? Will they be breach able by Eng.? Thanks 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gibsonm Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 1. Um can’t give you a lot of detail but: 2. No. 3. Therefore N/A 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomm Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 From the feature list: Player-placeable static defenses and fortifications such as bunkers, trenches, barbed wire, "hedgehogs", mines, and more Best regards, Thomm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gryphonne Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 From the feature list: Player-placeable static defenses and fortifications such as bunkers, trenches, barbed wire, "hedgehogs", mines, and more Best regards, Thomm Hedgehogs \=D/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Cruelty against animals! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finalcut Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Dragon Dental Work. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomm Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Barbed wire. "Hedgehog" in the background. Best regards, Thomm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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M1A1TC Posted February 25, 2011 Author Share Posted February 25, 2011 I was hoping to recreate Siegfried line 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Balboa Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 The first 2 modules will only contain stuff that appeared in Normandy during the summer of 44. You may see additional stuff in later modules that will let you do what your looking to do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1A1TC Posted February 25, 2011 Author Share Posted February 25, 2011 The first 2 modules will only contain stuff that appeared in Normandy during the summer of 44. You may see additional stuff in later modules that will let you do what your looking to do. http://www.scribd.com/doc/35253664/Breaching-the-Siegfried-Line-USA-1944 In August 1944 the first clashes took place on the Siegfried Line: the section of the line where most fighting took place was the Hürtgenwald area in the Eifel, 20 km (13 miles) southeast of Aachen. An estimated 120,000 troops, plus reinforcements, were committed to Hürtgen. The battle in this confusing, heavily forested area claimed the lives of 24,000 troops plus 9,000 non-battle casualties. The German death toll is not documented, but Hans von Luck estimates it at around 9,000. After the Battle of Hürtgenwald, the Battle of the Bulge began, starting at the area south of the Hürtgenwald, between Monschau and the Luxembourgish town of Echternach. This offensive was a last-ditch attempt by the Germans to reverse the course of the war. It cost the lives of many without producing any lasting success. There were serious clashes at other parts of the Siegfried Line and soldiers in many bunkers refused to surrender, often fighting to the death. By spring 1945, however, the last Siegfried Line bunkers had fallen at the Saar and Hunsrück. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Bijlsma Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Uhm, the Hürtgenwald battles did not take place in August and are well outside the scope of the summer fighting portrayed in CMN. AFAIK there was only limited contact with the Siegfried Line initially, the Allies lacking the supplies and weight up front to do anything serious. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertram Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 October 44, and late october too (from the 22nd?). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I believe by the time the final module comes out the title's timeline will extend through September. Ending just before we have to worry about changes in foliage and uniforms. I suppose we could get some initial late September Hurtgen forest clashes in there to give a taste of what's to come in the Bulge title. The baaaaaad stuff took place between Oct and mid-Dec though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyJJ Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Up to September would be fine. We can get Operation Totalize and the Falaise gap fighting in (August 44) with Commonwealth forces and it'll be just dandy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawomi Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 I believe by the time the final module comes out the title's timeline will extend through September. Ending just before we have to worry about changes in foliage and uniforms. I suppose we could get some initial late September Hurtgen forest clashes in there to give a taste of what's to come in the Bulge title. The baaaaaad stuff took place between Oct and mid-Dec though. That's right. Beginn of Westwall/Siegfried Line Campaign is in September. Market Garden ends between 25-27 September 1944. So the failed push through the 'Stolberg Corridor' and the Aachen encirclement is technically in CM:BN+modules timeframe and there could be made at least community scenarios. The real forest fighting in Hürtgenwald starts around 20. September. Also autumn starts on 22/23. September in the northern hemisphere. Sept. 2, 1944 Hodges' 1st Army crosses into Belgium. Sept. 12, 1944 Outfits of 1st Infantry Division (U.S.) and 3rd Armored Division (U.S.) reach the western border of Germany at Roetgen, south of Aachen. U.S. 3rd Armored Combat Command B Task Force Lovelady, under the command of Lt. Col. William B. Lovelady, is the first Allied force to enter the area known as the "Huertgen Forest". Sept. 13, 1944 The first breach of the Siegfried Line north of Roetgen. Sept. 14 - Sep. 16, 1944 9th Division 47th Infantry is covering the right flank of 3rd Armored units and penetrates the Huertgen Forest through its center. After two days of endless fighting against the German 74th Corps, made up from two beat-up infantry divisions and its concealed fortifications, the 47th manages to emerge from the forest and takes the town of Schevenhütte without much of a struggle. Sept. 15, 1944 LONDON, Sept. 15 (CP). — The United states 1st Army smashed the Siegfried Line at its strongest point east of the German gateway bastion of Aachen today and drove along the last 30 miles toward the great industrial city of Cologne and the Rhine. Climaxing an assault that began Thursday, American infantry battered through the main belt of pillboxes and dragon-teeth concrete tank barriers on which Hitler relied to keep invaders from his source of military strength in the Rhineland. Globe and Mail Sept. 15, 1944 Sept. 18, 1944 American troops in Germany are well through the Siegfried Line on an 18-mile front east and southeast of Aachen. The first heavy German counter-attack since Lt.-Gen. Courtney Hodges penetrated the line was broken there Saturday and early Sunday, but there is still some fighting around Stolberg. The advance through the Roetgen Forest southeast of Aachen is continuing. The enemy admits the loss, of some fortified positions in this area. Globe and Mail Sept. 18, 1944 Sept. 19 - Sept. 29, 1944 The 3rd Armored Division (U.S) and the 9th Infantry Division (U.S) move into the forest. Sep 20, 1944: The Americans reach the valley of the Weisser Wehe and the northwestern edge of Todtenbruch (Deadman's Moor), and with it the border of the municipality Hürtgenwald. The attack of the 9th I.D. fails because of intensifying resistance and excessive underestimation of the area. For the first time Americans must lead a fight in dense forest woods. Tank and half-track vehicles advance only slowly. Sept. 21, 1944 East Aachen fighting is in progress in the factory area of Stolberg and enemy pressure is being met near Buesbach. Operating in advance of our ground forces, medium and light bombers hit railway yards at Eschweiler, Dueren and Merzenich, on the Aachen-Cologne line. Mopping up of enemy pillboxes and pockets of resistance continues east of Roetgen and in the Hoefen and Alzen areas, south of Monschau. Enemy counter-attacks in this area were unsuccessful. The New York Times, Thursday , September 21, 1944. Sept. 23, 1944 Allied troops are clearing the Huertgen Forest against moderate artillery fire and are also mopping up in the area of Lammersdorf. The New York Times, Thursday , September 23, 1944. Sept. 24, 1944 Our forces have captured Stolberg, east of Aachen and now are mopping up isolated enemy pockets in the town. South of Stolberg we inflicted heavy losses in repulsing German counter-attacks. Stubborn resistance was met from enemy pillboxes and defended road blocks. The New York Times, Thursday , September 24, 1944. Sep. 29, 1944 Closing on Cologne The United States 1st Army kept up the pressure by fighting all the way through the pillbox-studded Hurtgen forest southeast of Aachen to within 27 miles of the big German Rhineland industrial city of Cologne. Globe and Mail Sept. 29, 1944 http://www.huertgenforest.be/ScoWeb.php 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawomi Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 For CM:BN and it's modules I think we will only get the “Czech hedgehogs” one can see on the pictures. If they will be breach able in game is indeed a good question. I really look forward to the CMx2 Bulge game and to what detail the posibililty for fortification/obstacles (and breaching of it) will be further improved after the FOW trenches and bocage we will see in Normandy. ...Sgt. Mack Morris was there with the 4th and reported: "Hurtgen had its fire-breaks, only wide enough to allow two jeeps to pass, and they were mined and interdicted by machine-gun fire. There was a mine every eight paces for three miles. Hurtgen's roads were blocked. The Germans cut roadblocks from trees. They cut them down so they interlocked as they fell. Then they mined and booby trapped them. Finally they registered their artillery on them, and the mortars, and at the sound of men clearing them, they opened fire." http://www.5ad.org/hurtgen_joe.htm I expect that the engine problems with deformable terrain and FOW-issues will prevend things like this: German WWII Panzer traps and obstacles: http://www.missing-lynx.com/library/german/pztrap_dmourtizsen.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawomi Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 This drawing of a Anti-Tank Hedgehog says they are only effective against armored vehicles till a wight of 12 t if arranged in three rows. That means they must be breach-able in some way by even 'mundane' Shermans in CM:BN, or the game will be 'broken beyond fixability' right from the start. :] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawomi Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 What I would like to see in CMx2 at some point in the future is this: ...One of the ways of closing off a road was by using concrete and heavy steel beams. Normally these sites were protected by a machine gun nest, or by sets of remotely controlled Abwehrflammenwerfer 41 covering the gap in the obstacle. combined with this: The Abwehrflammenwerfer 41. It was buried in the ground up to its neck, and the nozzle pointed through a gap in the obstacle. It had an effective range of 50 meters and had a single burst capacity which only lasted 10-15 seconds. German WWII Panzer traps and obstacles: http://www.missing-lynx.com/library/german/pztrap_dmourtizsen.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfhand Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 ...by the time the final module comes out the title's timeline will extend through September... The game + all modules released by September? Awesome news! (shouldn't you have posted this in the release date thread?) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 The game + all modules released by September? Awesome news! (shouldn't you have posted this in the release date thread?) I don't think that's what he meant. I think he intended to say that the historical timeline covered by the first game and all its modules extends to the end of September, 1944. But it could be another year and a half before we see them all, depending on what BFC's schedule works out to. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 I don't think that's what he meant. I don't think sfhand meant it either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 What? You mean he was deliberately being a you-know-what? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you! Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 I'm shocked, shocked I tell you! Michael So they resumed the old treatments at the institute, I gather. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Careful, you are starting to reach the age where you might forget where you left your toothpick. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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