The British need no protection!

[Webwing]

While the Americans are putting more armor into their humvees the British are putting less on their 4x4 vehicles!

When I first saw a picture of a MWMIK I thought that was just the chassis and that they were going to add armor to it before sending them to Afghanistan. Not so.

But they don't expose the British troops any more then the vehicles they have now, the Land Rover and this other one I could not identify.

Does anyone know what that one is? Some kind of unimog?

Apparently the priority is speed. And to have those vehicles running really fast in the open areas of Afghanistan.

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[ January 21, 2008, 04:12 PM: Message edited by: Webwing ]

[Oddball_E8]

looks like the same vehicle as in the two upper pictures, but without the "scaffolding" hehe... cool looking tho... and we all know that that is the most important quality in military equipment...

looking cool so the enemy will be impressed hehehe

[skelley]

Pretty sure these are special forces vehicles and not a mass produced infantry carrier.

[Sequoia]

Originally posted by skelley:

Pretty sure these are special forces vehicles and not a mass produced infantry carrier.

Yeah Battlefront tends to pooh pooh these type of "special" vehicles but I think their addition would help add a coolness factor to any module and therefore help sales despite the vehicles actual limited usefullness in a stand up fight.

[M1A1TC]

I think for the coolness factor Id rather see this in-game

[Pandur]

the unidentiefied vehicle is in my opinnion to 98% the british Pinzgauer version.

here are the british "Pinsn"

http://www.panzerbaer.de/helper/uk_tum_hd_pinzgauer-a.htm

and some pictures of the original...

http://www.panzerbaer.de/helper/at_lkw_01t_gl_pinzgauer-a.htm

EDIT:

LOL @ the snow track in the desert

[c3k]

Hah! That reminds me of my childhood "GI:Joe Mobile Command Post". Man, was that cool. It even came with its own recon UAV. WAY ahead of its time.

Regards,

Ken

[Sequoia]

M1, what the hell is that thing?

[M1A1TC]

It's called BvS10 Viking, possibly the coolest vehicle I know. Thats the Swedish designation. In UK it's called The Royal Marines Amphibious Viking

[ January 19, 2008, 11:30 AM: Message edited by: M1A1TankCommander ]

[Webwing]

Originally posted by Pandur:

the unidentiefied vehicle is in my opinnion to 98% the british Pinzgauer version.

here are the british "Pinsn"

http://www.panzerbaer.de/helper/uk_tum_hd_pinzgauer-a.htm

and some pictures of the original...

http://www.panzerbaer.de/helper/at_lkw_01t_gl_pinzgauer-a.htm

EDIT:

LOL @ the snow track in the desert

The first picture in the first link sure does look like it.

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[Beastttt]

for me the design was for defence against land mines and not EFP's(stopping them cold)

what is the typical range an EFP is fired at a vehicle

if it is over say 10 meters then you are out of the shrapnel(secondary effect to the EFP)zone

also since there is no outer armor to slow down an EFP so it can rattle around in a vehicle to chew things up

think a destroyer with no armor vs a large AP shell(8"+)

during WW2 there where instantces where there was no damage caused by a large passing right thru the DD there was not enough resistance to start the delay fuse

though they feel that sniper fire is not much of a concern

this just what I see

also thes seem to be fire support or convoy escort vehicles

in it you are either the driver or a gunner

with fairly long ranges weapons(M2HB,M249,Mk 19 GL)

[Pandur]

The first picture in the first link sure does look like it

well, you can clearly see the "hood" wich is the same, the weels and the stowage boxes between the weels.

basicly its the 4X4 "cabrio" version, without the plastic canvas cover, and without doors. but loaded with gear and armored in an improvised way with "armored vests" it seems, if you look closely.

better than nothing.

[Oddball_E8]

Originally posted by M1A1TankCommander:

It's called BvS10 Viking, possibly the coolest vehicle I know. Thats the Swedish designation. In UK it's called The Royal Marines Amphibious Viking

but... thats an arctic terrain vehicle... developed especially for us scandinavians... what the f-ck is it doing in a desert setting?

[Peter Cairns]

They look nice and are usually used by special forces.

As to the lack of armour, one estimate is that since the fighting started in Iraq and Afghanistan, 20% of the SAS have been killed or wounded.

It's a tough job but I think more armour might be a good idea.

Peter.

[Pandur]

a 26 seconds example why the pinzgauer doesnt have protection. you cant climp rocks like that with uparmored stuff.

its build for transport duties, cargo as personel, in verry vehicle unfriendly terrain.

not to fight with it or to put it under fire.

the last comment at you tube hits the spot;

To cadillacad, of course you would walk up rock face like that, but at the end of day of walking a Pinz might pull up with dinner...get it.

[gibsonm]

Originally posted by Oddball_E8:

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by M1A1TankCommander:

It's called BvS10 Viking, possibly the coolest vehicle I know. Thats the Swedish designation. In UK it's called The Royal Marines Amphibious Viking

but... thats an arctic terrain vehicle... developed especially for us scandinavians... what the f-ck is it doing in a desert setting? </font>

[Panzer76]

That was strange. Anyways, thats an older version of the vehicle. I used to be a driver for the newer one, the BV206.

They were really good winter terrain and off road vehicles. But I wouldnt want to be in one in a combat zone as they have no armour at all.

Armamanet usually consisted of one .50 cal mounted on the roof.

[Webwing]

The pinzgauer in the picture was taken from a documentary about the British army in Afghanistan.

The reporter follows the 3 Commando Royal Marines in some of their missions for 9 days. He is with the recon force. They use Land Rover and the pinzgaur (I didn't know what they were until now).

He says the vehicles they use are made to chase and fight, not to protect!

And although they are a recon force they face intense fights.

But the terrain is usually a flat desert and they apparently try to avoid getting too close.

With those vehicles MOUT like in Iraq would be suicidal. That doesn't mean they don't get into the villages , they do.

Most of the time they exchange fire from a distance and then call for air or artillery support.

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[Flanker15]

What do you mean no protection?!

You can't see it in the pictures properly but with special cameras the "Aura of Britishness" becomes visible. It uses pure British energy taken from Margret Thatcher and Churchill speeches to protect vehicles from enemy fire, which upon coming in contact with the field is filled with British patriotism causing it to divert to the nearest football match.

[Patrocles]

Originally posted by Flanker15:

What do you mean no protection?!

You can't see it in the pictures properly but with special cameras the "Aura of Britishness" becomes visible. It uses pure British energy taken from Margret Thatcher and Churchill speeches to protect vehicles from enemy fire, which upon coming in contact with the field is filled with British patriotism causing it to divert to the nearest football match.

LOL!! LMAO!!

"Thatcher Energy Shield activated, Sir!!"

[Piecekeeper]

Originally posted by Panzer76:

That was strange. Anyways, thats an older version of the vehicle. I used to be a driver for the newer one, the BV206.

They were really good winter terrain and off road vehicles. But I wouldnt want to be in one in a combat zone as they have no armour at all.

Armamanet usually consisted of one .50 cal mounted on the roof.

Thats an older one.

[Cpl Steiner]

Originally posted by Flanker15:

What do you mean no protection?!

You can't see it in the pictures properly but with special cameras the "Aura of Britishness" becomes visible. It uses pure British energy taken from Margret Thatcher and Churchill speeches to protect vehicles from enemy fire, which upon coming in contact with the field is filled with British patriotism causing it to divert to the nearest football match.

Classic!

[flamingknives]

The WMIKs (Weapons Mount Installation Kit) of various types are well liked by the British Squaddies, it seems, provided that they are used in the correct role.

The landrover-based version comes in two flavours, WMIK and E-(for Enhanced)WMIK. The latter has some amount of applique armour plate, but it's still quite light, open topped and with formidable amounts of firepower (0.5" HMG or 40mm GMG plus a 7.62mm GPMG) and excellent observation.

I'll add the extra 2% to the identity of the question mark picture. It's a Pinzgauer. The Supacat is the same in both pictures, but the one on the right is a bad photoshop adding landrover WMIK weapons mounts to a stock Supacat. The Daily Mail, IIRC, obviously confused by the concept of "or".

Great for wide open spaces, less so for close terrain, they are used by the UK light forces - the RM and the Paras, plus the light role infantry battalions.

[athkatla]

Originally posted by gibsonm:

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Oddball_E8:

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by M1A1TankCommander:

It's called BvS10 Viking, possibly the coolest vehicle I know. Thats the Swedish designation. In UK it's called The Royal Marines Amphibious Viking

but... thats an arctic terrain vehicle... developed especially for us scandinavians... what the f-ck is it doing in a desert setting? </font>

[wunwinglow]

Amphibious Viking? Just trying to think how the Vikings would have operated if they weren't amphibious. Surely a Viking, by definition, is amphibious. I've seen pictures of their ships....

Tim