Battlefront.com Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 Amongst other things Related to this is you don't have to worry about gas exhaust and, I would expect, as much noise so close to the ear. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 More pictures of the great M14 in action. I like the natural wood color best, but that green looks good, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Card Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 Lee, if you're really fascinated by the M14, you should check out some of the versions made by Springfield Armory. The M1A, M25 Whitefeather, M21 Tactical, and SOCOM II are all modern rifles based on the original M14, and are all available on the civilian market. Of those, I've only fired the M1A, but I was pretty impressed with it. Personally, my favorite American-market rifle in the 7.62-class would be DSA's SA58 series (an FN-FAL descendant) but I don't think you'd be going wrong with an M1A at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 I do indeed like the M14. Might end up getting one, a real one, I mean. Would go nicely with our other full-auto weapons. There are some good semi-auto ones available, as well. We know a guy who has a FAL, very nice gun, it was fun to shoot it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luderbamsen Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 Originally posted by Battlefront.com: Luberbamsen, </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Caseless, semi-combustible and case-telescoped ammunition, coupled with a different (i.e. not the usual reciprocating bolt) action and firing a high velocity/low weight (5.56x45mm-ish) projectile (where barrel length is a major issue) is probably where we'll end up. Eventually.Absolutely! I've done quite a bit of research into caseless ammo recently. The ultimate is to combine the benefits of a bullpup with caseless. Meaning, the trigger assembly is forward of the breach, the ammo is caseless. This gives you plenty of ammo at the ready, excellent barrel:total length ratio, and balance. The G-11 shows the benefits of this type of weapon once the kinks are worked out of it. Steve </font> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew H. Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 Originally posted by Battlefront.com: Absolutely! I've done quite a bit of research into caseless ammo recently. The ultimate is to combine the benefits of a bullpup with caseless. Meaning, the trigger assembly is forward of the breach, the ammo is caseless. This gives you plenty of ammo at the ready, excellent barrel:total length ratio, and balance. The G-11 shows the benefits of this type of weapon once the kinks are worked out of it. Steve Isn't one of the problems with caseless that it tends to overheat, in significant part due to the fact that you don't have hot brass being ejected to carry away a lot of the heat? Have there been any developments to make heat buildup less of a problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luderbamsen Posted December 29, 2007 Share Posted December 29, 2007 Originally posted by Andrew H.: Isn't one of the problems with caseless that it tends to overheat, in significant part due to the fact that you don't have hot brass being ejected to carry away a lot of the heat? Have there been any developments to make heat buildup less of a problem? Yup. It was/is, but not necessarily an insurmountable one. And if ammo weight is to be reduced (a key parameter) then brass cartridges will have to go anyway. A rarely debated, but very important, issue is cost: Even if the vaunted XM29 OICW had worked (which it didn't), it probably wouldn't have been put into production, simply because it was too expensive for the (relatively modest) increased lethality it provided the individual soldier. Oh, and just to go completely crazy with future firearms tech: The guided (small) projectile: It's fired from an ordinary gun and looks like an ordinary projectile, except the tip can move in any direction (via small "artificial muscle" actuators) and will probably be controlled via semi-active laser guidance (like a laser-guided bomb). Very nice for long range shooting, taking wind and (to an extent) elevation out of the equasion. The tech can be cramped into projectiles at least as small as .50 cal. (12.7mm), and otherwise the only parameter is cost, usefulness and if the tech will survive the G-forces of that particular weapon. Taking this concept to the extreme, imagine soldier with a helmet-mounted laser designator, boresighted to his helmet-mounted sight. When he spots an enemy he just looks at him (centering the helmet crosshairs on the target) and fires one or more rounds in the general direction of the target. No need to take proper aim, as the bullet(s) will automatically home in on the laser spot. The "rifle" could even be mounted on the arm since you don't need to bring it up to your eyes to align any sights. I can't help wondering if warfare 60 years from now will be even more amazing and unbelieveable to us than current technology is to WW2 vets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guinnessman Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 Originally posted by luderbamsen: I can't help wondering if warfare 60 years from now will be even more amazing and unbelieveable to us than current technology is to WW2 vets. [/QB]Ever read the Axis of Time trilogy by John Birmingham? Interesting series about a multinational naval battlegroup (including embarked US marines and Australian army units) from the year 2021 who end up going back in time due to an unfortunate accident on a research ship. They end up appearing in the middle of the US fleet en route to fight the Japanese in the battle of Midway. Lots of cool tech involved, including lasers, Metal Storm, casless ceramic ammo, advanced body armour etc. Favourite part of the first book is when a US Navy counterboarding specialist takes out a main gun turret of a 1940's heavy cruiser with depleted uranium ammo from his advanced electronic battle rifle....gotta get some of those Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 The heat issue is significant, but there are ways around it. First, is to have propellent that is tolerant of heat. Some chemical compounds have extremely high flashpoints and yet can be easily set off by something like electronic ignition. The other way to overcome the heat issue would be to have the rounds safely sectioned off from the chamber. This is how the G-11 got around the issue. Combo of physical design and stable propellent compound. Guinnessman, Sounds like The Final Countdown and this trilogy have some stuff in common. I haven't seen the movie since it came out (ack! 27 years ago!!), but at the time I thought it was pretty good. The love angle sucked, of course, but that's Hollywood for you! Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 I think a liquid propellant with separate bullet will be the next major advance. Insert a propellant cartridge in the stock and load a magazine with a couple hundred bullets. Load on Sunday and shoot all week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luderbamsen Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 Originally posted by Guinnessman: Ever read the Axis of Time trilogy by John Birmingham? Interesting series about a multinational naval battlegroup (including embarked US marines and Australian army units) from the year 2021 who end up going back in time due to an unfortunate accident on a research ship. They end up appearing in the middle of the US fleet en route to fight the Japanese in the battle of Midway. Lots of cool tech involved, including lasers, Metal Storm, casless ceramic ammo, advanced body armour etc. Favourite part of the first book is when a US Navy counterboarding specialist takes out a main gun turret of a 1940's heavy cruiser with depleted uranium ammo from his advanced electronic battle rifle....gotta get some of those Never read it. Btw, taking out a gun turret with a rifle? Are we talking a hyper velocity hand-held railgun here? If the case, I suspect the author may have forgotten about Newton's 3rd Law of Motion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 More cool pictures of the M14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLeftFlank Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Wow, that looks like a pretty cheap vacation getaway spot. Ever try surfing that beach? (Ya smell that?) Expect it's overrun by Aussies though. :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 SgtMuhammad, I think a liquid propellant with separate bullet will be the next major advance. Insert a propellant cartridge in the stock and load a magazine with a couple hundred bullets. Load on Sunday and shoot all week.I agree. A liquid is more likely to withstand the environmental issues associated with solid propellent caseless rounds. The problem is, like everything, safety. One possible way to make things safer is to have two liquids which, on their own, are fairly benign. These would be injected at the same time and then ignited in the chamber after being sealed in. Honestly, I'm surprised some brainiac hasn't come up with a compound that is fairly stable as a solid and easily ignitable. Ever since Man discovered the fart we've been messing around with things that go boom (or phhhhhht , so you'd think there would be something viable already. I know there is a company in Austria that manufactures a caseless roudn commercially. I've got half a mind to order some and do experiments (with BATF's approval, of course ). Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luderbamsen Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Originally posted by Battlefront.com: Honestly, I'm surprised some brainiac hasn't come up with a compound that is fairly stable as a solid and easily ignitable. Ever since Man discovered the fart we've been messing around with things that go boom (or phhhhhht , so you'd think there would be something viable already. I know there is a company in Austria that manufactures a caseless roudn commercially. I've got half a mind to order some and do experiments (with BATF's approval, of course ). Steve "You'll shoot your eye out!"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 That's what my wife said Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 More pictures of the M14 with our troops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomm Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 Originally posted by Battlefront.com: I know there is a company in Austria that manufactures a caseless roudn commercially.Ohh, Austria, heart of Europe, friendly, neutral producer of caseless ammunition! Gotta love her! Best regards, Thomm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Some more cool pictures of the M14 with our troops. Apparently some of the M14's we are using are fitted with suppressors, which I haven't seen used on M14's before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggum Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 I really want to shot M-14, the weapon looks good. Shooting with the "good old" G3 is also more fun than shot G36 (but the G36 is a great rifle i think !) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 A point of interest is to see how many of these M-14 pics have guys in DCU (Desert Combat Uniform) instead of ACU (Advanced Combat Uniform, or did they rename that to Army Combat Uniform? I forget!). If you see DCU it's probably a picture taken before 2006 as that was when ACU started showing up. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAI Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Originally posted by LongLeftFlank: Wow, that looks like a pretty cheap vacation getaway spot. Ever try surfing that beach? (Ya smell that?) Expect it's overrun by Aussies though. :cool: I don't think you'd wanna surf a beach with an HMG and sniper rifle in overwatch, no matter how cool the rifle is Curiously though, where is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Originally posted by FAI: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by LongLeftFlank: Wow, that looks like a pretty cheap vacation getaway spot. Ever try surfing that beach? (Ya smell that?) Expect it's overrun by Aussies though. :cool: I don't think you'd wanna surf a beach with an HMG and sniper rifle in overwatch, no matter how cool the rifle is Curiously though, where is it? </font> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogface Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Originally posted by FAI: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by LongLeftFlank: Wow, that looks like a pretty cheap vacation getaway spot. Ever try surfing that beach? (Ya smell that?) Expect it's overrun by Aussies though. :cool: I don't think you'd wanna surf a beach with an HMG and sniper rifle in overwatch, no matter how cool the rifle is Curiously though, where is it? </font> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 More pictures of the M14 with our troops. Steve: I'm not surprised you tend to notice the uniform variations especially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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