phil stanbridge Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 It's a weird thought. I was just browsing cmmods.com and I read the June 6th message.. There's been hardly a word about DDAY today and I thought it kinda strange - but it got me thinking, and I guess it's not one of these questions you can answer, but what would have happened if the axis forces won WWII? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Windsor Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Originally posted by phil stanbridge: It's a weird thought. I was just browsing cmmods.com and I read the June 6th message.. There's been hardly a word about DDAY today and I thought it kinda strange - but it got me thinking, and I guess it's not one of these questions you can answer, but what would have happened if the axis forces won WWII? Taking a literary approach you could try SS-GB by Len Deighton and Fatherland by Robert Harris - both entertaining reads. Teddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Axe_ Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Originally posted by Edward Windsor: Taking a literary approach you could try SS-GB by Len Deighton and Fatherland by Robert Harris - both entertaining reads. Teddy Even though I'm not usually too keen on thrillers or spy novels (sorry double-oh-Teddy) I really enjoyed Harris' Fatherland. I also enjoyed Enigma and Archangel despite its rather bizarre ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 For a fascinating "what-if" on D-Day read "Disaster at D-Day" by Peter Tsouras. Well-researched and breathtaking. Rommel victorious in Normandy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BossHogg Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Try 'Man In A High Castle' by Phillip K Dick. It isn't really a 'what if' book, it rather has a Axis winning the war a while back world as a setting for the story. Any excuse to try and turn ppl on to Phil Dick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joachim Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Considering heigt, eye-colour and (at least my hairstylists opinion of my) hair-colour, I'd dress in black, herd some slave-laborers and live somewhere in the general direction of Siberia. Man, the first time in ages I am completely happy with my life - it really could be so much worse... Gruß Joachim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 If the Nazis won the war the U.S. would probably now be burdened with a fascist unelected war-mongering preside... oh, never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schoerner Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 The economical system wouldn't be based on interests. The differences between cultures, ethnicities and races would be respected instead of neglected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParaBellum Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Originally posted by Schoerner: The differences between cultures, ethnicities and races would be respected instead of neglected. Sure, ol' Adolf and his buddies were well-known for their sensible, respectful approach towards other cultures and races. And don't let yourself get confused by a few million deaths. Schoerner, do you really believe this crap or are you just trying to pollute this forum for fun's sake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Originally posted by Schoerner: The economical system wouldn't be based on interests. The differences between cultures, ethnicities and races would be respected instead of neglected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Nobody can seriously believe the 'Thousand year Reich' wouldn't have simply died from entropy by now. I can imagine Nazi teenagers in the 50's craving some of that 'degerate' Western music; Eastern Europe taking every opportunity that came its way to throw off its Nazi chains; France, Britain, Belgium, etc. furtively reasserting their independence; German citizens sick of fifty years of Nazi arrogance, repression and corruption form opposition parties. By 1990s most of the population of Europe weren't even born during the war (much like the Iranian population never having known the Shah). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlow Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Originally posted by Schoerner: The economical system wouldn't be based on interests. The differences between cultures, ethnicities and races would be respected instead of neglected. Oh, yes the differences would have certainly been respected. The Jews were different, so into the death camps. The Slavs were different, so slave labor or the firing squad for them. The French were only a little different, so most could live, and only a relative handful are to be forced into slave factory work. And the Economy would have certainly not been based on interests, at least not of the average citizen. The leaders of the Reich and owners of Krup on the other hand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parachute Hamster Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 We would be here wondering: "But what if the Allied forces won the war?" [ June 06, 2003, 01:41 PM: Message edited by: Parachute Hamster ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Axe_ Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 ParaBellum, Sergei, MikeyD and Marlow: Thank you for doing what I was too angry to do myself. Cheers, Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFJaykey Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Originally posted by Schoerner: The economical system wouldn't be based on interests. The differences between cultures, ethnicities and races would be respected instead of neglected. Troll. I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest konrad Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Population of my country instead of 40 mln ,will have 10 ,if lucky. What a terrible question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 My Mark III's in CMBB wouldn't have to worry about T-34's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schoerner Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Originally posted by ParaBellum: Schoerner, do you really believe this crap or are you just trying to pollute this forum for fun's sake?ParaBellum, and all you other hobby inquisitors: Too bad, that you don't prefer that over the present nature hostile system. Yes i believe, the world we see today, the suffering of, in the meanwhile around 80% of mankind, the enormous, never seen before destruction of nature, the treating of animals only for profit, is only a mirror of the established great nature hostile system. The 'democratic western system' in the USA and its satellites are responsible for it. :eek: Not Adolf Hitler. :eek: Not the Nazis. :eek: Every citizen supporting this system, believing it's lies, is responsible for it, and guilty, too because they have all the information available at the fingertips. What happens today on earth, is much worse, than ever before. :eek: Too bad, no Nazis, no Adolf Hitler to blame since almost 60years. How's that possible, that the world is becoming worse and worse for the majority of mankind, if a great system were ruling the world? Maybe you should finally take a look around what's happening in the world? Maybe you should stop hunting the shadows of the bad and evil witches, the system is projecting on the wall, to distract from what is happening in the world today? Yes i really believe in what i wrote and i don't believe the real crap: that mankind were made by an old man with a white beard or that Marx can terminate the result of 4 billion years of life and tenthousands of years of evolution of homo sapiens. Yes, I really believe mankind is part of nature. Yes i believe mankind should respect nature and not trying to slave it. Yes i believe evolution is a fact. If mankind tries to act against it, because of thinking his visions were better, the result in the long terms will be much worse. Yes i really believe, the rational homo sapiens shouldn't use his consciousness to follow nature-hostile visions and feelings, but try to reduce sorrow for future generations although the necessary actions seem to be hard in the present (i.e. environment protection, eugenics,...). Yes i really believe, the Christian religion is extremely nature hostile. Yes i believe, that Communism hates nature and it's principles. Yes, i believe, the more people are hating or not understanding nature, the stronger their believe in nature-hostile, artificial visions of a 'better world'. Yes, i believe, that the interest-system makes economical growth necessary. Yes i believe, nothing can grow foreever. Yes i believe, economical growth results in more exploitation of resources. Yes, i believe, the private- and the state-capitalism (Communism) are in the long terms, unstable systems, due to the forced growth/expansion by interests. Yes, I believe WWII was a conflict between systems. Yes, i believe the capitalistic interest-system has no interest to inform the people objectively about alternative economical, monetary and trading-systems. Yes, i believe in authorized sources, and not what systems want to make people believe about other systems. So, once again, today the world wouldn't suffer anymore from the interest system. The different cultures, ethnicities and races would be respected, not neglected. [ June 06, 2003, 04:08 PM: Message edited by: Schoerner ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serge Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Watching the news everyday ... I truly doubt if there is really any difference. Same story ... different people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Boggs Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 And I belive that for every drop of rain that falls someone gets wet. Yes, I believe that the sun is hot and the moon is cold I believe that it is dark at night and light during the day. I believe that the sound of an alarm clock in the morning is the most horrible sound created by man's ingenuity. And I believe that if you suck at CMBB 1.02, you will continue to suck at 1.03. Yes, hear me now, I believe that one day we will all come together in a big field and there will be music and dancing and lotsa beer and stuff. Oh, I believe that women are both God's gift to mankind and also mankind's curse. And finally, I believe that I am running out of things I believe, so I'll wrap this one up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Chapuis Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Originally posted by Schoerner: the treating of animals only for profit That's not true. Cow/chicken/fish taste really good too - it isnt all just profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaws Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 We were all driving in a Volkswagen. And that’s much better than the car I now have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 WWII wasn't a conflict between systems, it was all ego driven. Germany, France, Britain, Italy, the U.S., Japan all had basically a modified market economy and merrily traded with each other before the war. Hitler didn't gobble up the Czechs, Poles, Belgians, French, etc. for socio-economic aims. He simply did it because he could. Sure, he had his lunatic social theories too, but it was dreams of glory that fueled the war machine. [ June 06, 2003, 04:33 PM: Message edited by: MikeyD ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pzman Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Originally posted by Schoerner: Yes i really believe, the Christian religion is extremely nature hostile. If you believe that then you don't know what a Christian is; nore do you know what we stand for. Just to give you a hint, God made nature to glorify himself... so I don't see why you think we hate nature... [ June 06, 2003, 04:45 PM: Message edited by: Panzerman ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Originally posted by MikeyD: WWII wasn't a conflict between systems, it was all ego driven. Germany, France, Britain, Italy, the U.S., Japan all had basically a modified market economy and merrily traded with each other before the war. Hitler didn't gobble up the Czechs, Poles, Belgians, French, etc. for socio-economic aims. He simply did it because he could. Sure, he had his lunatic social theories too, but it was dreams of glory that fueled the war machine. I think there is something to be said for that point of view (well, after all, you did say it ). I think Hitler wanted to be the second Alexander the Great. He wanted to be a military conqueror, and to be that he had to have a war. The prosperity, puissance, and well-being that the German people rightly craved could have been obtained through peaceful means—look at what happened after the war—but that would not have made Hitler a great conqueror. And that was something he either could not imagine or would not. I don't think he cared a tinker's dam about the German people. After all, when the end came he said that since they had failed to serve his dream, they should all die. Notice that they should serve his dream. Humility and selfless service were not his outstanding traits. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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