GRUMLIN Posted February 10, 2003 Share Posted February 10, 2003 I love CMBB and all that - great therapy after a hard day - but I was wondering what twists people would like to see the boys from Battlefront make in an ideal world. MOi? why thansk for asking. I would love to see a fantasy LoTR version. Mmhhhh.. tactical gaming without having to pinat a million figures...hordes of orcs overrrunning hobbitholes.....elvish ambushes in the woods - giant spiders on speed...... and before you flame me, look me in the eye and say you wouldnt play it... Grum 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Bijlsma Posted February 10, 2003 Share Posted February 10, 2003 <looking Grumlin firmly in the eyes> Nope, I probably wouldn't. IMO the engine/combat system doesn't suit it at all. The CM engine just doesn't do hand to hand combat at all well. Wich I assume would be (except fo the elves) the major way of causing death. LotR based on the Total War engine on the other hand, well, just don't stand in front of me in shops when it would hits the shelves, I'll kick ya out of the way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParaBellum Posted February 10, 2003 Share Posted February 10, 2003 Originally posted by GRUMLIN: ...I would love to see a fantasy LoTR version. Mmhhhh.. tactical gaming without having to pinat a million figures...hordes of orcs overrrunning hobbitholes.....elvish ambushes in the woods - giant spiders on speed...... I already see it coming... "...my elite Ringwraith just got killed by a conscript hobbit with a 'rear penetration'!! Fix or do somefink!!" "...why do my Mumaks always bog down in muddy weather? This can't be realistic!" "...Uruk-Hai shouldn't surrender that quickly! As they are modelled now they are nothing but overpriced Hamsters!" "...why won't my Hobbits engage a Balrog? According to the LOS tool they have 0.00001% chance of killing him, they shouldn't run as soon as they spot him!" ...not to forget Rexford's posts: "... mithril armour quality in middle earth as reported by Durin son of Dong, Volume XXVII-XXIX." etc... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Weiss Posted February 10, 2003 Share Posted February 10, 2003 We should be able to round up all the Hobbits and execute them after extreme interrogation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becket Posted February 10, 2003 Share Posted February 10, 2003 Let us not forget: Imrahil's troops use the same graphic as the soldiers from Minas Tirith for pete's sake. The game isn't finished until the emblems of Dol Amroth are properly displayed!!!! Oh, as to the original question, mine would be a CMBB game featuring the units in Gear Krieg (see my sig). Armored walkers, rocketruppen, zombie soldiers, supersoldiers, and Tesla tanks all mixed in with the real WWII stuff we know and love. [ February 10, 2003, 02:15 PM: Message edited by: Becket ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted February 10, 2003 Share Posted February 10, 2003 Narsil broke during a PBEM, shouldn't I be able to reforge it into Anduril with my Elven Smith unit. They did it in the book. Actually I'm still pulling for that UberCM that allows you to play the entire ETO including the Med. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Weiss Posted February 10, 2003 Share Posted February 10, 2003 What about the Orcs? Can we execute Orcs? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becket Posted February 10, 2003 Share Posted February 10, 2003 Originally posted by Bruno Weiss: What about the Orcs? Can we execute Orcs? Only if you purchase the Ugluk unit, available from February 26 to March 5, 3019. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Posted February 10, 2003 Share Posted February 10, 2003 Would a hobbit hole be as resistent to AT fire as a bunker or treated like a trench? so many things to ponder Can ents use flame throwers? And gee I justed wanted some rear area troops...... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRUMLIN Posted February 10, 2003 Author Share Posted February 10, 2003 Can you imagine the threads "Do ents take airburst damage from arty" "My orcs won't light blackpowder charges - whats wrong" "The evil dark lord keeps trying to get his hands on my oil......I mean ring of power" Grum p.s. I still want this game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFJaykey Posted February 10, 2003 Share Posted February 10, 2003 FWIW I recall reading an article on some gaming site recently that somebody _does_ have a big, LotR-based wargame under development, IIRC due for Xmas 2003. Sorry no details but I recall it is supposed to be a "war" game and not RPG. Probably won't measure up to CMBB but might be fun. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmatt Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 A LOTR's themed game in the same vein as CM would be cool and we would probably have no problem doing one (we all love Tolkien) but licensing issues will probably keep that little gem outa our bonnet for the foreseable future. Madmatt 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becket Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 In all seriousness, in my opinion LotR actually would be very hard to do right in a serious setting like CM. Now, mind you, a serious setting like that would be the only way to do it justice, but there's a problem. There's no information to model. You would just be guessing, and those guesses would be fueled by your imagination rather than JRRT. There's no information about the hardness of mithril, or the relative sharpness of elven v. orcish swords, or what strength doors Grond could penetrate, or the speed values of Ringwraith steeds. That to me would be a major impediment to trying to do a LotR wargame. However, I recognize that in this regard, on this subject, I'm a purist and a stickinthemud. Pay me no mind. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 Originally posted by ParaBellum: "...Uruk-Hai shouldn't surrender that quickly! As they are modelled now they are nothing but overpriced Hamsters!" [/QB]I'm some what amused needless to say 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 Hehe... we had similar jokes at the expense of Tolkien Grogs, Star Trek Grogs, etc. if we ever did those kinds of games. We would get peppered with all sorts of complaints about something not being "realistic" for sure! Because of the scale of pre firearms battles, I am not sure we could simulate this type of thing using a CM type engine. But one never knows! BTW, seeing "LOTR" makes me shudder... that was a game I once worked on (Lords of the Realm 2). Many lost hours of my life helping bring that one to market Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyrene Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 The CM engine would work great with Warhammer 40K stuff though...<drool> More on the CM:BB (Belleriand to Belfalas) controversy: "Why isn't Ungoliant modelled?" "Why don't my Orcs feast on the corpses of the dead? What kind of wussy sell out is that?" "Nazgul'd again!" Gyrene 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpl Carrot Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 The Battletech universe is another that I would like to see done 'properly'. Getting the license would be hard though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hooded One Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 Amazingly enough, someone's actually done a Lord of the Rings scenario for The Operational Art of War. You can get it at The Wargamer scenario archive - opponents are listed as 'Gondor vs. Sauron' - very amusing, considering how hardcore this game is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laxx Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 Heeheehee very funny.... ....i can imagine grognards complaining that the noobies are using gamey tactics in CM:LOTR. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Weiss Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 Yeah yeah, but what about the realism. Won't there be blood, corpses, unattached limbs, disemboweled organs, and wounded missing apendages and such? [ February 11, 2003, 08:17 AM: Message edited by: Bruno Weiss ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soddball Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 Originally posted by Battlefront.com: Hehe... we had similar jokes at the expense of Tolkien Grogs, Star Trek Grogs, etc. if we ever did those kinds of games. We would get peppered with all sorts of complaints about something not being "realistic" for sure! Because of the scale of pre firearms battles, I am not sure we could simulate this type of thing using a CM type engine. But one never knows! BTW, seeing "LOTR" makes me shudder... that was a game I once worked on (Lords of the Realm 2). Many lost hours of my life helping bring that one to market Steve YOU were partly responsible for Lords of the Realm 2? I curse you! I still have my copy! It was sort of good fun, primarily, I think, because my computer sucked and I couldn't run all the new games. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 Hey I still have mine as well. I used to love that game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dschugaschwili Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 Originally posted by Battlefront.com: BTW, seeing "LOTR" makes me shudder... that was a game I once worked on (Lords of the Realm 2). Many lost hours of my life helping bring that one to market Steve So you cut out half of the fun from this game? Compared to Lords of the Realm 1, not being able to design your own castles was a great disappointment. I guess the AI couldn't handle it. Dschugaschwili 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartokomus Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 Originally posted by ParaBellum: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by GRUMLIN: ...I would love to see a fantasy LoTR version. Mmhhhh.. tactical gaming without having to pinat a million figures...hordes of orcs overrrunning hobbitholes.....elvish ambushes in the woods - giant spiders on speed...... I already see it coming... "...my elite Ringwraith just got killed by a conscript hobbit with a 'rear penetration'!! Fix or do somefink!!" "...why do my Mumaks always bog down in muddy weather? This can't be realistic!" "...Uruk-Hai shouldn't surrender that quickly! As they are modelled now they are nothing but overpriced Hamsters!" "...why won't my Hobbits engage a Balrog? According to the LOS tool they have 0.00001% chance of killing him, they shouldn't run as soon as they spot him!" ...not to forget Rexford's posts: "... mithril armour quality in middle earth as reported by Durin son of Dong, Volume XXVII-XXIX." etc... </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartokomus Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 Originally posted by Battlefront.com: Hehe... we had similar jokes at the expense of Tolkien Grogs, Star Trek Grogs, etc. if we ever did those kinds of games. We would get peppered with all sorts of complaints about something not being "realistic" for sure! Because of the scale of pre firearms battles, I am not sure we could simulate this type of thing using a CM type engine. But one never knows! BTW, seeing "LOTR" makes me shudder... that was a game I once worked on (Lords of the Realm 2). Many lost hours of my life helping bring that one to market Steve I loved that game.I could now only love you more if you had worked on the game from the early 90's called "Hammer of the Gods". Muray 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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