Carolus Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 11 minutes ago, Billy Ringo said: Understand there were changes to Battlefront, but did this discussion move elsewhere? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmouredTopHat Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 Crazy to hear about this stuff from what was meant to be a terrifying military power. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 12 minutes ago, ArmouredTopHat said: Crazy to hear about this stuff from what was meant to be a terrifying military power. What is even crazier is this guy thought they were about to finish off Ukraine (i.e. take Kyiv) when they were pulled out for no reason. I don't expect someone on the ground to have had the bird's eye view that we had, nor someone from a closed and brainwashed society to understand its reality, but c'mon... he witnessed first hand how disorganized and beaten up the Russians forces were, yet he still seems to think they had victory within their grasp. Nuts. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmouredTopHat Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 The anti UAV campaign seems to be building up steam, these videos are getting more prevalent by the week. Hopefully they can increase the level of attrition to the point where long range Russian ISR gets more and more blinded. I wonder how they go about detecting and intercepting the drones. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethaface Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 20 hours ago, Carolus said: I can understand the decision of the devs well in this matter. Also, while it was this thread and the information therein which pulled me into this forum, as a result of lurking on other subforums, I bought two of the WW2 titles upon their steam release and I have barely scratched the surface of the content. Try a PBEM some day, it ups the challenge/dynamics in a large part. Although the time investment required can be quite large, if you can manage that it's easily the most interesting h2h game out there imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kraze Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 (edited) On 8/27/2024 at 5:30 AM, billbindc said: Durov is something quite a bit more complicated than an FSB agent and if playing the magical "russian opposition" card results in one getting arrested I'm not sure what your problem with it is. Since it's very likely Telegram was already cracked to a large degree by Western intelligence, I doubt he has all that much to bargain with. We'll see. Telegram isn't some private network that FSB uses to send secret data around. It's an intelligence gathering network first and foremost - basically FSB has access to every single message exchange that ever happened there, incl. photos and videos. It's also a major tool for spreading disinformation. By magical "russian opposition" card I mean he gets to walk free and even gets immunity in the court of public opinion, a trick that Russia has been using since forever. It's how US exchanged made spies for a new bunch of covert spies. And he semi-walked today actually. But it's funny seeing how every single putin sympathizer in the west - from Tucker to Musk - demand for Durov, their supposed "enemy", to walk free. Tell me who your friends are and all. Edited August 28 by kraze 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 2 hours ago, ArmouredTopHat said: The anti UAV campaign seems to be building up steam, these videos are getting more prevalent by the week. Hopefully they can increase the level of attrition to the point where long range Russian ISR gets more and more blinded. I wonder how they go about detecting and intercepting the drones. They are big enough, slow enough, and fly predictably enough to be detectable by radar I should think. Maybe not the old Soviet systems, but some shiny piece of equipment from NATO stocks. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carolus Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 (edited) 2 hours ago, ArmouredTopHat said: The anti UAV campaign seems to be building up steam, these videos are getting more prevalent by the week. Hopefully they can increase the level of attrition to the point where long range Russian ISR gets more and more blinded. I wonder how they go about detecting and intercepting the drones. Supplemental: Cut together clip showing some of the over 100 Russian surveillance drones claimed to be downed via FPV interceptors via support by Ukrainian activist Sternenko: Edited August 28 by Carolus 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carolus Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Battlefront.com said: They are big enough, slow enough, and fly predictably enough to be detectable by radar I should think. Maybe not the old Soviet systems, but some shiny piece of equipment from NATO stocks. Steve The new F-16s and the ammo they have been given (old Sidewinders and AMRAAM) are assumed by this channe (who seems to have some knowledge of what he is talking about) to be specifically to supplement Ukrainian air defense against drones and cruise missiles, and that they are likely of little use for anything else. Edited August 28 by Carolus 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbindc Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 (edited) 14 minutes ago, kraze said: Telegram isn't some private network that FSB uses to send secret data around. It's an intelligence gathering network first and foremost - basically FSB has access to every single message exchange that ever happened there, incl. photos and videos. It's also a major tool for spreading disinformation. By magical "russian opposition" card I mean he gets to walk free and even gets immunity in the court of public opinion, a trick that Russia has been using since forever. It's how US exchanged made spies for a new bunch of covert spies. And he semi-walked today actually. But it's funny seeing how every single putin sympathizer in the west - from Tucker to Musk - demand for Durov, their supposed "enemy", to walk free. Tell me who your friends are and all. Nobody said Telegram was a private network. It was obviously suborned by the Russian state...which state is so inept and resource poor that it's military has been using it extensively to plan operations and communicate. The issue isn't *FSB* visibility into Telegram...it's that it is very likely that France and Five Eyes get a look at whatever small part they haven't already sieved. Durov also didn't "walk". He is under judicial supervision, has a court date coming up and has no passport. In the court of public opinion in France, he's being portrayed in French media (which I suggest you read before commenting) as a facilitator of child porn, human trafficking and drug dealers. Finally, much like you seem to be unable to differentiate anti-Putin from pro-Putin Russians you seem to think that the West is defined by the worst among us. Points for analytical consistency I guess? Edited August 28 by billbindc 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmouredTopHat Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Carolus said: Supplemental: Cut together clip showing some of the over 100 Russian surveillance drones claimed to be downed via FPV interceptors via support by Ukrainian activist Sternenko: If they really are shooting hundreds of these mid tier UAVs down within a month, could this actually constrain Russian ISR capabilities? I have no idea how many of these things they churn out, they are not exactly mass producible in the same way as an FPV is. Still, it must be causing problems at least to have their drones steadily eroded when they were previously not outside of the manpad / shorad countering. Edited August 28 by ArmouredTopHat 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FancyCat Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 Quote Russian voenkor Alexander Kharchenko posts about how Ukraine is successfully countering Russian ISR UAVs with FPVs. He says Russia must take this problem seriously because it will threaten the effectiveness of artillery, glide bombs, Iskanders, and other fire support capabilities. https://t.me/bayraktar1070/2636 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbindc Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 26 minutes ago, billbindc said: Nobody said Telegram was a private network. It was obviously suborned by the Russian state...which state is so inept and resource poor that it's military has been using it extensively to plan operations and communicate. The issue isn't *FSB* visibility into Telegram...it's that it is very likely that France and Five Eyes get a look at whatever small part they haven't already sieved. Durov also didn't "walk". He is under judicial supervision, has a court date coming up and has no passport. In the court of public opinion in France, he's being portrayed in French media (which I suggest you read before commenting) as a facilitator of child porn, human trafficking and drug dealers. Finally, much like you seem to be unable to differentiate anti-Putin from pro-Putin Russians you seem to think that the West is defined by the worst among us. Points for analytical consistency I guess? Oh... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hister Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 Pavel Durov might have just orchestrated this with France - better to be alive in French prison foa a while then poisoned or suicided from the window. Thoughts? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbindc Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 5 minutes ago, Hister said: Pavel Durov might have just orchestrated this with France - better to be alive in French prison foa a while then poisoned or suicided from the window. Thoughts? Aiding and abetting child pornography is not something that's going to be easy to plea out of and the French are going to make it very hard for him. I suspect that the botched meeting with Putin in Azerbaijan was an attempt to squeeze some sort of deal out of the Russians instead that didn't work out and Durov has too many enemies in Moscow to have returned without a significant roof of political protection over his head. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmouredTopHat Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 32 minutes ago, FancyCat said: Translated for those interested. Very good news I think given how crucial the UAV ISR is for Russia. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 18 minutes ago, billbindc said: Aiding and abetting child pornography is not something that's going to be easy to plea out of and the French are going to make it very hard for him. I suspect that the botched meeting with Putin in Azerbaijan was an attempt to squeeze some sort of deal out of the Russians instead that didn't work out and Durov has too many enemies in Moscow to have returned without a significant roof of political protection over his head. there has to be some expectation he won't just roll into a Russian embassy. I am sure you remember Yurchenko's defection and return in DC back in 85. Walking around free isn't such a great idea either if the Russians really want him dead. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 35 minutes ago, billbindc said: Aiding and abetting child pornography is not something that's going to be easy to plea out of and the French are going to make it very hard for him. I suspect that the botched meeting with Putin in Azerbaijan was an attempt to squeeze some sort of deal out of the Russians instead that didn't work out and Durov has too many enemies in Moscow to have returned without a significant roof of political protection over his head. It also indicates that France had an established interest in arresting him and were watching the meeting in Azerbaijan to see where he headed to. People do not easily get arrested at airports on a whim. I agree with Bill that if there was a cover story for keeping Durov safe it would NOT have been this one. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Jack Ripper Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 1 hour ago, Hister said: Pavel Durov might have just orchestrated this with France - better to be alive in French prison foa a while then poisoned or suicided from the window. Thoughts? I think that's ridiculous. He was kidnapped because he refused to sell his user's data to the government apparatus as Meta and Twitter have already done, and because he refuses to provide a backdoor into his app so the security services can spy on people. So anyway, Ukraine's latest offensive is being blocked in Kursk: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-kursk-fighting-sudzha-a49c55fc367bcbaed2e95e515bf99b80 The rest of the eastern front is collapsing, with Russia having numerical superiority in many areas, and the latest Russian advances putting them behind the Ukrainian defensive positions in some areas. Russia even recently secured an entire town in one day because the defensive positions were completely abandoned. Reports of Russian advances are a daily occurrence: https://www.wsj.com/world/as-ukraine-invades-russia-kyivs-troops-are-in-trouble-on-the-eastern-front-8a7b1686 And, Ukraine cannot field competent replacements due to shortened training time and the poor quality of conscripts they're scraping off of street corners: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-new-recruits-pokrovsk-ed2d06ad529e3b7e47ecd32f79911b83 But hey, I'm sure the latest wonder weapon will turn the tide any day now. Just two more weeks until Russia runs out of ammo, fractures apart, and collapses, right? Right? https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/ukraine-crisis-artillery/ Quote The causes of the shell crisis began years ago. They are rooted in decisions and miscalculations made by the U.S. military and its NATO allies that occurred well before Russia’s 2022 invasion, a Reuters investigation found. A decade of strategic, funding and production mistakes played a far greater role in the shell shortage than did the recent U.S. congressional delays of aid, Reuters found. In the years between Russia’s 2014 seizure of Crimea and its 2022 invasion, for example, repeated warnings from top NATO commanders and from officials who operated or supervised U.S. munitions plants went largely unheeded. They advised their governments, both publicly and privately, that the alliance’s munitions industry was ill-equipped to surge production should war demand it. Because of the failure to respond to those warnings, many artillery production lines at already-ancient factories in the United States and Europe slowed to a crawl or closed altogether. “This is a problem that’s been long in the making,” said Bruce Jette, who served as the assistant secretary of the U.S. Army for acquisition, logistics and technology from 2018 to January 2021. You see, what has happened is Russia has finally learned the art of the 'inchworm offensive'. Anyone who has played Combat Mission against me will be familiar with this to one extent or another. It's a strategy of attrition. The idea is simple, if you just keep killing the enemy they eventually stop coming. They easily have enough shell production to meet their operational needs, so they simply throw shells at UKR positions until they are abandoned. Then, they move forward with small elements like Platoon or Company size, occupy the position, and then repeat on the next UKR position in line. While you were snickering at the video of Russian soldiers using golf carts to advance, you forgot to note the fact they advanced and successfully seized the position. This has been a continuous process since the start of the year. Almost daily you hear of Russian platoon and company size elements taking one small position after another, even if it's just a single field, or a street. This happens EVERY DAY. They're not successful everywhere, but with enough pressure being applied in enough places, they've figured out the UKR are not strong enough to hold them back everywhere. In some areas long quiet sections of front have suddenly seen new activity and advances. In some places even the Ukrainians outright admit the Russians have a significant local superiority in manpower. They've also figured out that no amount of money is going to replace a military industrial complex that has been allowed to decay and rot because 'civilized people ain't a gonna study war no more' and our recent military engagements against Afghan farmers with rusty AK's haven't exactly prepared us for a high intensity war against a near-peer adversary. The leaked intelligence information (thank you War Thunder Community!) has pointed out this fact, and it is known to the higher ups in NATO and the U.S. It will take YEARS of production to replace the ammunition that has already been sent to Ukraine, and current rates of supply are only a fraction of what is needed to maintain the front line. This is right in line with everything I explained to all of you years ago. Same stuff, different schedule. Ukraine is still going to lose. You will cheer loudly from the sideline, post memes, salivate over drone strike vids, and dream of the grand wonder weapon that will turn the tide if only they can produce enough of them... Meanwhile Russia will keep turning Ukrainians into hamburger with a bottomless supply of 122mm shells, and an apparent ability to conjure fresh tanks out of nothing but scrap iron. Oh wait, those are called FACTORIES. Anyway, before I get yelled at because the tone of my typing is OFFENSIVE (or Steve starts posting 1945 Luftwaffe fighter numbers as if that means anything to the argument about air superiority, what a trip that was... ), I'm going to take my leave. See y'all on the Matrix Games forum, or not. I don't care. - General Jack Ripper P.S. When pic-related is the absolute state of discussion on this issue, you can see how frustrating it has been trying to have an actual productive conversation on this issue. Military analysis relies on maintaining a disinterested perspective so one can clearly analyze and interpret the facts, and also to sort the facts from propaganda. Something I think the majority of members engaged with this topic are lacking. P.P.S. Oh, and by the way, I still haven't made a 'pro-Russia' statement. Last time I came here some forum members tried to paint me as some 'Putin Apologist' or 'Pro Russia Troll' and I think that's sad. Y'all really need to grow up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbindc Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 1 hour ago, sburke said: there has to be some expectation he won't just roll into a Russian embassy. I am sure you remember Yurchenko's defection and return in DC back in 85. Walking around free isn't such a great idea either if the Russians really want him dead. I remember it so well I used the urinal he climbed over to escape in the Au Pied du Cochon bathroom in his honor many times. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 4 minutes ago, billbindc said: I remember it so well I used the urinal he climbed over to escape in the Au Pied du Cochon bathroom in his honor many times. I hear it is a Five guys now. Yikes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbindc Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 2 minutes ago, sburke said: I hear it is a Five guys now. Yikes. Indeed, it is. Le Diplomate has excellent escargot though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraft Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 (edited) 1 hour ago, General Jack Ripper said: Oh wait, those are called FACTORIES I wasnt aware russia still has factories running on these here Actual production, not empty running storage sites from the last 80 years of stock, is around 30 tanks per year. Or about 15 days of combat worth, it used to be fewer but there is more rationing now. Edited August 28 by Kraft 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenris Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 (edited) 9 hours ago, Battlefront.com said: What is even crazier is this guy thought they were about to finish off Ukraine (i.e. take Kyiv) when they were pulled out for no reason. I don't expect someone on the ground to have had the bird's eye view that we had, nor someone from a closed and brainwashed society to understand its reality, but c'mon... he witnessed first hand how disorganized and beaten up the Russians forces were, yet he still seems to think they had victory within their grasp. Nuts. Steve RU, from top to bottom, being saturated in propaganda probably helped Ukraine more than it did them in the end. Edited August 28 by Fenris 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FancyCat Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 Quote Brand new oil/fuel depot east of #Molodezhnyy #Kamensky district #Rostov Oblast is on fire with the small town also showing active fires on FIRMS Video footage taken from the highway next to the depot 1. FIRMS 27-08-24 2. Sentinel 27-08-24 3. Maps HQ for reference 4. Video 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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