dan/california Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, kimbosbread said: Autonomous flying is way easier than autonomous flying- we already have this, and it used every day- autopilot. Obviously there is reliance on GPS and INS, but it’s way different than being on a road and having to worry about obstacles and traffic. If GPS is jammed, poverty INS and simple airspeed calculations and a compass will get you close to where you need to go- especially if you fly higher up on a clear day, or just in straight line. And then simple image recognition to look for tarmac/flying vehicles. If you can get to the target 80% of the time, that’s great. No AI needed. If you can’t make it to an airflield, ditch on an empty road and make a hole it in it and hope someone gets a flat tire. In terms of target selection, if Russia has kids at a military airport in a war, I don’t think anybody is going to complain if they get killed. Maybe amnesty, but they have shown their true colors of course. Detecting helicopters vs decoys, if you have an even halfway decent onboard camera and the equivalent of an iphone CPU, that’s plenty of horsepower to do image recognition. You don’t need an LLM or deep learning or anything crazy. Again, no AI needed. Same goes for detecting an airfield. And the drones would leave with targeting data from satellites that would be no more than a day old. Decoys and tents and such would have to be maintained and move around to work. If one drone and ten got a helicopter it would be well worth it. Ukraine makes every reasonable effort to avoid hitting civilians, but they are also fighting like they are in an existential war, because they are. Low probability targeting accidents are are just one more risk. It is why they can frequently get artillery fire on high priority targets in five minutes. Things get double checked once not seven times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Zeitgeist Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 In Putin Russia, airplane brakes you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 Huge explosion and fire in Moscow just reported: Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 This will come as no surprise to anybody here... Russia seeks to fix its manpower shortage by forced child labor. Shocker, I know: Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet 0369 Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Haiduk said: Damaged by UKR drone SIG tanker. You can see a hole in the hull Ah ha! I just determined the cause of all those “careless smoking incidents.” The “NO SMOKING”signs are in English, not Russian! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinophile Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 (edited) https://mil.in.ua/en/news/russians-delivered-the-olenegorsky-gornyak-landing-ship-to-the-dry-dock/ Welp, she's out for a bit. Bets on when she returns to work? 6 months? Edited August 10, 2023 by Kinophile 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 17 minutes ago, Kinophile said: https://mil.in.ua/en/news/russians-delivered-the-olenegorsky-gornyak-landing-ship-to-the-dry-dock/ Welp, she's out for a bit. Bets on when she returns to work? 6 months? And this too: It depends on how much internal damage the explosion and subsequent flooding caused. Patching the outer hull itself shouldn't take that long, especially given Russia's tendency to prioritize speed over quality. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinophile Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 Dammit beat me toit 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenris Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 Now that the landing ship is fixed in place, it would be nice if UKR had the capability to hit it with something... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 heh nice to see the swiss get caught. Switzerland Freaks Out After Veselnitskaya Plot Is Exposed (yahoo.com) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 Moscow airports in chaos after multiple reports of drone attacks (yahoo.com) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 2 hours ago, sburke said: Moscow airports in chaos after multiple reports of drone attacks (yahoo.com) I think it is worth Ukraine's time to target expensive and critical dual purpose infrastructure within Russia. Russia needs as much additional pressure on its economy as can be had. Also, Russia should have to divert resources towards defending its cities just like it's obligating Ukraine to do. Article in the Moscow Times' reporting of Russian emergency services' report for 2022: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/08/10/record-number-of-explosions-rock-russia-in-2022-vyorstka-a82106 Human casualty rate 20x higher than any previous year over the last decade. 55 out of 83 explosions were documented to have been caused by explosives of some sort. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 It was onnly a matter of time... Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 We've all seen the vehicle paths made in fields from drones, now see it from the vehicles making the tracks: Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 Latest release from 3rd Assault Brigade. This appears to be (largely) a companion video to one put out a couple of days ago. Interesting to note how the Russian trenches are nearly "brand new", which makes sense as the front is relatively recent. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimbosbread Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 3 hours ago, sburke said: heh nice to see the swiss get caught. Switzerland Freaks Out After Veselnitskaya Plot Is Exposed (yahoo.com) Bunch of cheese perforators 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 Kinzhal strike on Kyiv. I heard four explosions, looks like all out of the city. There were reports about four MiG-31K taking off, probably on Kyiv were launched two missiles, allegedly two more have flown to Khmelnytskyi oblast - I tnink, Starokostiantyniv airfield again 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe982 Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 3 hours ago, Battlefront.com said: It was onnly a matter of time... Steve Your posts don't allow links to Twitter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 Reportedly about ten explosions in Starikostiantyniv airfield area. Likely 2-4 Patriots per Kinzhal 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 Ukr troops near the entrance to Robotyne. Unknown it's northern or southern entrance. Russian milblogger Pegov wrote Ukr troops expanded zone of control between Robotyne and Verbove on 6 km along frontline and slightly in the depth. Russian troops were forced "to align frontline" 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butschi Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 10 hours ago, kimbosbread said: Autonomous flying is way easier than autonomous flying- we already have this, and it used every day- autopilot. Obviously there is reliance on GPS and INS, but it’s way different than being on a road and having to worry about obstacles and traffic. If GPS is jammed, poverty INS and simple airspeed calculations and a compass will get you close to where you need to go- especially if you fly higher up on a clear day, or just in straight line. And then simple image recognition to look for tarmac/flying vehicles. If you can get to the target 80% of the time, that’s great. No AI needed. If you can’t make it to an airflield, ditch on an empty road and make a hole it in it and hope someone gets a flat tire. In terms of target selection, if Russia has kids at a military airport in a war, I don’t think anybody is going to complain if they get killed. Maybe amnesty, but they have shown their true colors of course. Detecting helicopters vs decoys, if you have an even halfway decent onboard camera and the equivalent of an iphone CPU, that’s plenty of horsepower to do image recognition. You don’t need an LLM or deep learning or anything crazy. Again, no AI needed. Same goes for detecting an airfield. I'm still working in autonomous driving. Our safety experts once talked in detail about the difference between flying on autopilot and autonomous driving - because they get that comment every time: We have had autonomous flying for decades, so how hard can it be? The answer was (iirc) something like a) aerospace industry and flying itself is highly regulated, i.e. every part is normed and certified and even then has double redundancy. Plus you can pretty well predict what someone is going to do in a certain situation. b) The air is 3D and much less crowded than roads. c) We don't trust autopilots. Which is why there isn't just one but two highly trained pilots on board who constantly monitor the system and are ready to take over at any time. This is in contrast to autonomous driving where we want a huge variety cars interacting with other cars and all sorts of different traffic participants who may or may not be restricted by rules in a dense and crowded environment - without relying on a trained operator who can take over if necessary. Back to drones: I guess the difficulty here is in actually reaching the target not identifying it. Without relying on GPS you have to either navigate using landmarks or have inertial sensors. Both doable but the former is non trivial and the letter expensive, I think? That said, the main difference is probably in the fact that this is a war. You don't have to guarantee that your drone crashes only once in a billion kilometers. If nine out of ten reach their target that's fine. And then in war people die, so collateral damage is probably more accepted than in traffic. On the other hand, media and all sorts of other parties are just waiting for autonomous machines killing humans and the inevitable incident where such a device hits a bus full of children is going to spark am interesting discussion. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taranis Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 "A Ukrainian soldier helps a boy hold an anti-tank weapon at a volunteer point in central Kiev on August 10, 2023. SERGEI SUPINSKY / AFP" Dude, seriously, you got it upside down... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ts4EVER Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 Not the kind of photos you want for propaganda, considering how easy it is to associate them with child soldiers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckdyke Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 (edited) Who remembers these words? "My fellow Americans, I’m pleased to tell you today that I’ve signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes.” Ronald Reagan, August 11, 1984 Edited August 11, 2023 by chuckdyke 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offshoot Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 Counter-battery with cluster munitions. One grad destroyed, another damaged. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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