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WASHINGTON — The number of Russian troops killed and wounded in Ukraine is approaching 200,000, a stark symbol of just how badly President Vladimir V. Putin’s invasion has gone, according to American and other Western officials.

 

NYT quoting the ever popular "American Official", anyway the Ukrainians are not just making it up when they say they are killing Russians by the trainload.

 

About ~600 Russians paid in full for Putin's imperial fever dream today. It isn't crazy to think the Russians could have half a million casualties by July if they keep trying compensate for their vast military inadequacies by trying to bury the Ukrainians in rotting corpses.

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36 minutes ago, BornGinger said:

The old jewish bolsheviks that stole from the Russian and Ukrainian people when the Soviet Union collapsed. Many of the ones among those with ukrainian citizenship don't seem to bother much about the war.

But to mention this isn't politically correct enough for some on this forum.

That's not politically incorrect, it's pure unadulterated anti-Semitism. 

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52 minutes ago, dan/california said:

About ~600 Russians paid in full for Putin's imperial fever dream today. It isn't crazy to think the Russians could have half a million casualties by July if they keep trying compensate for their vast military inadequacies by trying to bury the Ukrainians in rotting corpses.

Just to note, cause we apparently tend to forget those- daily claims of muscovite lossess by UA are almost certainly inflated. Trends can surely be observed, but not casualties by themselves.

Several volunteers and people with sources on the ground here who write about the war are constantly being moved by amount of Ukrainian casualties, too- but these are often anecdotal and also difficult to build into larger picture. For example many lossess in recent weeks were noted in Kreminna to Svatove northern front that are in the shadow of fights around Bakhmut. Fights in those woods and hills are brutal, especially since russians clearly upgraded their tactics and both sides try to move the front there.

 

The level of destruction of Mariinka does not stops to amaze. Some buildings does not even look like ruins any more...just a field of rubble:

 

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2 hours ago, billbindc said:

 

The twitter NatSec balloon guys are having their Telenko moment: 

Man these guys definitely have something for balloons.  So 1) slow…glacial compared to a LEO satellite, 2) highly visible with radars - big *** bag of gas, 3) at mercy of winds.

For operational ISR and GPS back up sure.  As a strat ISR platform…man I am not entirely onboard.

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https://thehill.com/policy/defense/3841230-ukraine-warns-russia-massing-500000-troops-on-border-for-offensive/
Whatever the accuracy, the actual number, is it a fair assumption that the Russian plan is to launch some sort of large scale offensive during the window between now and when the AFU is able to effectively integrate the new tranches of Western kit along with the relevant training - to launch their own drive(s)? Not assuming a *successful* Russian offensive, simply whatever mass they have cobbled together to inflict as much pain, suffering, new war crimes, and civilian hurt as possible.

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7 minutes ago, The_Capt said:

Man these guys definitely have something for balloons.  So 1) slow…glacial compared to a LEO satellite, 2) highly visible with radars - big *** bag of gas, 3) at mercy of winds.

For operational ISR and GPS back up sure.  As a strat ISR platform…man I am not entirely onboard.

So, the Chinese military is ignorant? Or it wasn’t intended for NA, and went astray from a Pacific target location?
Also, any idea where it may have been launched from? (Edit - if intended for North America, Washington State…)

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9 hours ago, kevinkin said:

For goodness sake; WTF:

https://news.yahoo.com/putin-expected-channel-stalingrad-victory-

A new bust of Stalin was erected in Volgograd on Wednesday along with two others, of Soviet marshals Georgy Zhukov and Alexander Vasilyevsky.

Despite Stalin's record of presiding over a famine that killed millions and political repression that killed hundreds of thousands, Russian politicians and school textbooks have in recent years stressed his role as a successful wartime leader who turned the Soviet Union into a superpower.

You can have zombies without an apocalypse. 

 

So will they rename Donetsk 'Stalino' again?

 

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https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/02/world/oldest-preserved-brain-fish-intl-scli-scn/index.html

Article fails to mention the scientists named the fossil Vlad. Teams have been sent to find more fossils across Russia. All team leaders were full of optimism targeting the waters near the Kremlin in the Moskva River. "Dirty work, but the world wants answers" said one off the record. 

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1 hour ago, NamEndedAllen said:

So, the Chinese military is ignorant? Or it wasn’t intended for NA, and went astray from a Pacific target location?
Also, any idea where it may have been launched from? (Edit - if intended for North America, Washington State…)

Well there are about a dozen possible explanations.  It is a weather balloon of some sort.  It is military and experimental but went off course.  They are simply screwing with us to see what happens.  Or maybe it isn’t even Chinese.  This thing has a whole Foo Fighters feel to it given that everyone is a bit edgy.

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16 minutes ago, The_Capt said:

Well there are about a dozen possible explanations.  It is a weather balloon of some sort.  It is military and experimental but went off course.  They are simply screwing with us to see what happens.  Or maybe it isn’t even Chinese.  This thing has a whole Foo Fighters feel to it given that everyone is a bit edgy.

The power move would be to sed something up to grab it intact. That vehicle may or may not exist.

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McCarthy calls for intel briefing on Chinese spy balloon over Montana
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/02/mccarthy-intel-briefing-chinese-spy-balloon-montana-00081038

In my opinion, this is a self-defeating move by China, likely to trigger a reaction by Americans that will result in more dollars spent in defending US interests in the Pacific.

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2 hours ago, Beleg85 said:
3 hours ago, dan/california said:

es.

Just to note, cause we apparently tend to forget those- daily claims of muscovite lossess by UA are almost certainly inflated. Trends can surely be observed, but not casualties by themselves.

I am sure that is true to some extent. I always assume it is dead and seriously wounded for starters. With some reasonable assumptions about how abysmal Russia's KIA/WIA numbers are You can pretty quickly get to ~70k KIA, 70k Severe/permanently unfit for service WIA, and another ~70 K WIA who could return to service in some number of months. This brings things nicely in line with the numbers the NYT just gave.

The Russians are so dysfunctional, not to mention intentionally trying to obscure things even from themselves,  that we will never get more get more than a guesstimate.

 

Edit: The only meaningful metric is have enough of them died that the rest decide to leave. Sadly we aren't there yet.

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10 hours ago, Maciej Zwolinski said:

I am not sure if it is the current state of affairs. He did get into power by way of that social contract. However, now he got to the point where he seems to be persisting mainly on the backs of the FSB and Rosgvardia. He certainly has  fully subjugated oligarchs and regional barons/power centres so that he does not need their support anymore, rather the other way round - they are fully dependent on his favour.

For sure he has a pretty good security apparatus, though it would be the first time if the apparatus switched sides.

In any case, the Soviet Union had the KGB and it didn't make a difference in the end.  The Soviet Union fell.

10 hours ago, Maciej Zwolinski said:

Certainly. But Putin will be dead by that time by natural causes anyway. Soviet Union was an oligarchy with a longer time horizon than an elderly dictator.  

Natural causes or unnatural, he won't live forever and the state is not designed for succession.  A common problem with dictatorships.  As you point out, the Soviet Union was a better designed system in that regard.  The Soviet union fell.

Steve

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3 minutes ago, dan/california said:
This is the tail end of a nearly endless thread of Lancet videos. They seem to be one of the more effective things in the entire Russian arsenal. 

wow, we are getting close to page 2000, guess who will be the first?

 

I think this was mentioned before, the key is to destroy, suppress and denial the Orlan-10 UAV, who gives the coordinate to Lancet. Wondering if UKR side has any plan to do so.

Feels like a navy battle. Shot down Tu-95, and the Tu-22M won't follow. 

  

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2 hours ago, The_Capt said:

Well there are about a dozen possible explanations.  It is a weather balloon of some sort.  It is military and experimental but went off course.  They are simply screwing with us to see what happens.  Or maybe it isn’t even Chinese.  This thing has a whole Foo Fighters feel to it given that everyone is a bit edgy.

I was curious because F-35s were scrambled. Turns out the Chinese are doing this a lot. Here, Hawaii, and elsewhere. Also, this:

“It is worth noting that the U.S. military is actively testing how it might use similar high-altitude balloons, with the ability to navigate long distances to areas of interest and hold station against prevailing winds, to perform various tasks. This includes intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance, but also a range of other potential mission sets like communications relaying and long-range strike, as you can read more about here. “

Companies in the United States and elsewhere have also been developing similar systems for commercial purposes, too.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/chinas-spy-balloon-over-montana-is-part-of-a-larger-more-troubling-pattern

AND FOR THOSE IN CANADA:

‘UPDATE: 

We cannot confirm these details at this time, but there may be another aerial intrusion underway in Canada, which is partners with the USAF in NORAD. Washington Post's Andrew deGrandpré also mentions highly strategic Guam as being a past target area for similar balloons, which is unsurprising. 

Master aircraft tracking sleuth, Steffan Watkins, also has an interesting thread that may point to Canadian CF-18s having intercepted and tracked this balloon days ago.
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3 hours ago, Chibot Mk IX said:

wow, we are getting close to page 2000, guess who will be the first?

(well not me I guess lol)

****

Winter Offensive, or just shove everywhere and hope something breaks?

 

Been quite some time, innit, since we've seen any Giant Red Arrows of Doom©

Interesting thread on the GLSDB.
 
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4 hours ago, The_Capt said:

Well there are about a dozen possible explanations.  It is a weather balloon of some sort.  It is military and experimental but went off course.  They are simply screwing with us to see what happens.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/02/pentagon-balloons-surveillance-midwest

Maybe?

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