John Kettler Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 The YT sidebar kicked this up amid a sea of some other topic, but I thought I'd see what the man had to say. All in all, though I'm not quite sure how much to believe, I think some important points were made by him regarding myths concerning the T-14 Armata. He shatters a number of common misconceptions about the tank's origins, talks about its real design ancestors (not the Abrams TTB), the (purported) ability of the APS to stop KE projectiles including DU (says this has been successfully tested), production status and more. One bombshell lay in the wholly new to me information and pics showing the T14 isn't using a Western FCS but has, he says, a Gen 3 system for both the Gunner and the TC, though he doesn't realize that Thales is a company name rather than some sort of FCS designator. Believe this is worth watching. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Much muchness of detail on T-14: http://btvt.info/2futureprojects/armata/armata17.htm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 akd, What a pity I don't read Russian! Or is it really a blessing, since it looks like a glorious time devourer? In any event, simply fabulous material, for which, my thanks! Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bufo Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, John Kettler said: akd, What a pity I don't read Russian! Or is it really a blessing, since it looks like a glorious time devourer? In any event, simply fabulous material, for which, my thanks! Regards, John Kettler Google translate.. I read it with that, not perfect but readable. Edited April 29, 2017 by Bufo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 Courtesy of Putin's favourite propaganda engine: http://learnrussian.rt.com/lessons/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codename Duchess Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 http://tass.com/defense/961838 Russia is now planning to buy just 100 T-14 by 2020 according to defense officials. Some of you may note that is 2200 fewer than claimed only two years ago. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanir Ausf B Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 It's a mystery why they ever claimed that ridiculous number. No one believed it. The Russians themselves pushed the date back to 2025 last year but even that is well beyond Uralvagonzavod's production capacity, which is probably somewhere between 150 to 200 tanks per year. The British estimated 120 per year once full serial production is begun. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUSKER2142 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 The problem is that Armata as well as Kurganets-25 have not undergone yet experimental design work. But after them there must be state tests. And here they will already buy a combat vehicle and at the same time test and correct in the design shortcomings during production. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thewood1 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Just saw this on at Steel Beasts forums... http://www.janes.com/article/73474/analysis-russia-looks-to-bridge-armour-gap 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzersaurkrautwerfer Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 On 8/29/2017 at 0:02 PM, Codename Duchess said: http://tass.com/defense/961838 Russia is now planning to buy just 100 T-14 by 2020 according to defense officials. Some of you may note that is 2200 fewer than claimed only two years ago. A mature person would not feel some level of schadenfreude at this. I am not that mature. After years of being told how Russia can build pretty much everything at will because we do not understand how special Russian economics and engineering works, this is amusing to say the least. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 I think that number was (perhaps willfully) misunderstood and was actually the intended number of modernized tanks in the fleet, not Armata alone. Russia considers T-72B3 and T-90A modernized. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artkin Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 The T90 is one good looking cat tbh... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antaress73 Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 (edited) On 02/09/2017 at 1:19 PM, panzersaurkrautwerfer said: A mature person would not feel some level of schadenfreude at this. I am not that mature. After years of being told how Russia can build pretty much everything at will because we do not understand how special Russian economics and engineering works, this is amusing to say the least. It's only a first batch of 100. This is not the end total . They are going to equip a brigade , learn how to use the new toy and how to integrate it ( write the tactical and operational employment manual) then make a bigger order. Though I would not expect the grand total to exceed 600-700. They can probably build 150-200 a year . These numbers are only for the T-14 MBT version. The 2300 number probably also included the infantry version T-15 (both the IFV and APC versions , one has autocannon and kornets, the other has 12.7mm only) and the other versions for engineering vehicules, medical, anti-tank missiles vehicule , etc.. This is the grand total for the whole family of vehicles. Edited September 3, 2017 by antaress73 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzersaurkrautwerfer Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 2 hours ago, antaress73 said: It's only a first batch of 100. This is not the end total . They are going to equip a brigade , learn how to use the new toy and how to integrate it ( write the tactical and operational employment manual) then make a bigger order. Though I would not expect the grand total to exceed 600-700. They can probably build 150-200 a year . These numbers are only for the T-14 MBT version. The 2300 number probably also included the infantry version T-15 (both the IFV and APC versions , one has autocannon and kornets, the other has 12.7mm only) and the other versions for engineering vehicules, medical, anti-tank missiles vehicule , etc.. This is the grand total for the whole family of vehicles. That's fine and all, but for some time we were all told very confidently from some circles that by the time the "war" in CMBS kicked off, there would be Armatas in battalions ready to fight. As the case is, there might be a limited number of them available in 2-3 years. Plenty of 'freude to pass around there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LUCASWILLEN05 Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 14 hours ago, antaress73 said: It's only a first batch of 100. This is not the end total . They are going to equip a brigade , learn how to use the new toy and how to integrate it ( write the tactical and operational employment manual) then make a bigger order. Though I would not expect the grand total to exceed 600-700. They can probably build 150-200 a year . These numbers are only for the T-14 MBT version. The 2300 number probably also included the infantry version T-15 (both the IFV and APC versions , one has autocannon and kornets, the other has 12.7mm only) and the other versions for engineering vehicules, medical, anti-tank missiles vehicule , etc.. This is the grand total for the whole family of vehicles. Also there is the question of setting up the production lines and training the workers. The length of tme it took to get the T90 into service may be a good indicator of the time frame and numbers of T-14 we can expexct. At most perhaps 1000 by the mid 2020s 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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