Tactical Wargamer Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Ok our little group is already clamoring for an operational game....is there any company/Battalion level Eastfront wargames out there - Vassal or what not we could use? HPS even? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agusto Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Grigsbys War in the East, maybe? I havent played it much but i think the smalles units you can move around are at the companys/battalion level. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rokko Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Regiment is really the smallest unit you can move around in WITE. Hex sizes are 10km across or along each face I can't really remember. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db_zero Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Unity of Command or Command Ops may be what your seeking. Also look at HPS. The have some decent operational level games. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocal Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Unity of Command or Command Ops may be what your seeking. Also look at HPS. The have some decent operational level games. Command Ops does not have a discrete "break" in gameflow to facilitate CMRT scenarios, nor does it have a East Front title. As far as I know at least. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanir Ausf B Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I have never played them, but John Tiller's Panzer Campaigns appear to be of the scale and setting you are looking for. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Broadsword has one running using Panzer Command that looks promising. http://www.battlefront.com/community/showthread.php?t=114452 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audgisil Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 There used to be a series put out by a company called Atomic Games called "V for Victory" and "World at War" If I recall, they were battalion level games. They also had a really nice WeGo system and great balance between complexity and playability. The games can be found at abondonware sites these days, but it might be tough getting them to run on a modern Operating System. Somebody needs to put together a small team to make a very similar game (sound of crickets chirping from Battlefront's direction). They were really fun. It seems like most of the hex-based games these days suffer from horrible user interface, bad graphics, and extreme complexity. There's a few publishers out there who are still trying to sell this same old garbage at outrageous prices too. Unity of Command is pretty good in fixing most of that, but it is just a little too simplistic. I guess I'm just an unhappy wargamer... but isn't that our natural state? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuri Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 There are community created Ostfront scenarios for Command Ops. http://thesharpendgaming.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Command%20Ops%3A%20Highway%20to%20the%20Reich 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grisha Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 kuri, Thanks for that post. I'd long had hopes for Matrix' Combined Arms over the decade plus of its development, but Command Ops may be the way to go. What kept me away from the game was the lack of eastern front representation. This appears to fix that. I think I'm going to buy this one, thanks to you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuri Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tt.asp?forumid=818 Link to the user made content subforum on the official Command Ops forum. Also the game is still being updated regularly with patches, beta patches are available on the main forum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kipanderson Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Hi, Lots of ways to do this... one very simple way is to use Panzer Campaigns Minsk, as suggested above. Don’t wish to suggest others do not have their own ways to use the series but one very quick easy way... in outline... the editor is fantastically flexible.. 1) Umpire cuts say 40km by 40km map section and sets up German and Soviet units. 2) Three versions are produced and saved by the umpire. One Master copy with all units from both sides. The Umpire’s copy. Then one to send to the German players with all German units but only some Soviet units on the map as per Fog Of War rules being used. One likewise to the Soviet players. 3) German and Soviet players send back their orders for each unit to the umpire. Umpire moves units as per orders sent to him and decides where there are clashes between units. 4) He then produces three versions again. One Master copy for himself with all units on it after implementing the orders of both sides. One German version with all German units on it but only some Soviet given the FOW rules used. Likewise for the Soviets. 5) Then some clashes are resolved at the CM level with games built by umpire or someone else, results sent back to the umpire and some clashes the umpire resolves at the operational level and informs the players of the results. 6) Umpire produces three versions of the map again taking into account the results of all clashes that turn. One the Master copy with both sides units on he keeps, one German version with all German units and some Soviet according to FOW rules. Same for Soviet side. Off you go again... You guys will know how to do this... I realise that but some reading this thread may think it’s difficult... it’s not... but... you need an umpire or umpires with the time and commitment to do the book keeping and produce the games. Hints... 1) Umpire has final say on all matters no matter the rules.. 2) Have library, stock of CMRT maps, scenarios without units, AI stripped out to remember .. from which the umpires can quickly grab one and edit it for any given CM clash they are building for the players. Carve up and edit portions of the Master maps and other maps from CMRT, then edit them for battle maps. Saves huge amount of time.... If people have the time.. easily done.... . All very good fun, Good luck... keep us informed if you give an operational game of any type a go.. All the best, Kip. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kipanderson Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 PS. May have seen it already... but Broadsword56 over on the Mods forum, has built a great operational game you may wish to use... very cunning stuff indeed. Kip. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broadsword56 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 PS. May have seen it already... but Broadsword56 over on the Mods forum, has built a great operational game you may wish to use... very cunning stuff indeed. Kip. I just finished v2 of the Cyberboard gamebox and scenario for that game, so anyone who wants it please PM me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankster65 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 As already mentioned by others in this thread, you might want to check out John Tiller's Campaigns, specifically his Panzer Campaigns in the East. I have practically all of them and they are superb for operational level of play. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mord Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Frankster, check your PM. Mord. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 There used to be a series put out by a company called Atomic Games called "V for Victory" and "World at War" If I recall, they were battalion level games. They also had a really nice WeGo system and great balance between complexity and playability. I got their Operation Crusader game and played it with high hopes, but in the end was sadly disappointed with it. It had a lot of good ideas about how to handle logistics and airpower, but hadn't been worked through sufficiently. The movement system was awkward and tedious and if you let the game do your pathfinding for you, you'd find yourself screwed coming and going. The AI was wretched. There was no free set-up option. I could go on, but the point is the game needed at least another year of serious work to get right. It was sadly underdeveloped. And that was too bad as it could have been a thing of great beauty. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScoutPL Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Why bother with a sim to feed your sim? A simple map exercise with CM adjudicating contacts should get after what you want. Unless you are wanting to portray all of the logistics issues that might pop up after extended play. In my experience its way to easy to bake a giant cake and then realize about halfway through it that you and your mates just don't have an appetite for it. Best to start small, say a division (actually, division is still considered the tactical level) attacking across a front defended by a brigade, with players down to the BN level. Twenty players or so, including your bde and div commanders. Or you could just go with three (two opponents and a referee). A referee would be essential to keep up with unit movement, contacts, fire support etc. None of which gets after the real challenge - who is going to design all of those scenarios? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellfish Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I kinda miss CMMC. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grisha Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I kinda miss CMMC. Yeah, seeing Kip's reply reminded me of it too. It was slow as hell but on the other hand just doing the work was pretty cool. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tactical Wargamer Posted June 22, 2014 Author Share Posted June 22, 2014 Broadsword has one running using Panzer Command that looks promising. http://www.battlefront.com/community/showthread.php?t=114452 Thanks I will look into this one..... Cheers 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tactical Wargamer Posted June 22, 2014 Author Share Posted June 22, 2014 There are community created Ostfront scenarios for Command Ops. http://thesharpendgaming.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Command%20Ops%3A%20Highway%20to%20the%20Reich Very interesting......didn't realize there was a break in the flow of the RT operational aspect to the game. Will check this one out. I own them all 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazing 88's Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 As already mentioned by others in this thread, you might want to check out John Tiller's Campaigns, specifically his Panzer Campaigns in the East. I have practically all of them and they are superb for operational level of play. Some people may not be aware of these... For enhancing Panzer Campaigns graphically there are these awesome mods: MapMod for Panzer Campaigns http://mapmod.hist-sdc.com/legend.htm and Available mods range from artwork enhancements, expansion packs and alternate scenarios http://volcanomods.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=13&Itemid=27 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tactical Wargamer Posted June 22, 2014 Author Share Posted June 22, 2014 Very interesting......didn't realize there was a break in the flow of the RT operational aspect to the game. Will check this one out. I own them all Digging into this further but is there any break in the game flow I wonder to conduct CMRT scenarios using Command Ops? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kipanderson Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Hi, I kinda miss CMMC. I see there are some old hands here . Yup.. CMMC as masterly run by James Bailey is the finest wargame I have come across.. truly . My method for use of Panzer Campaigns is indeed just a scaled down, dumped down versions of the great CMMC... ! All the best, Kip. PS. CMMC was so fantastic I think it has somewhat intimidated some... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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