TheLotusEater Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 I've ran some tests and uploaded a video showing how effective it is to sneak up infantry to a tank with the intention of destroying it with only grenades. So far it seems to me that it's not a very good tactic since the infantry end up getting killed almost every time. Here's a video showing 10 attempts of infantry sneaking up on a Panther G (early) (skill: Veteran, Motivation: Normal, Leadership: +1, Fitness: Fit) using the "slow" command in extra tall grass: The panther only gets destroyed once. I might try this on different terrain later with different skill, motivation, and leadership levels. Does anyone have any tips on how to destroy tanks when you only have grenades? One thing I noticed for the first time is that the Panther uses a grenade launcher when infantry get close. I never knew they had that! :eek: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Williams Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 It's called a Nahverteidigungswaffe. http://www.custermen.net/nahvert/nah.htm As for close assulting tanks, my men seldom succeed at it, but my opponents seem to have no trouble doing it to me. ;-) I would think your best bet is to try to get your assaulting troops to approach the tank from the rear. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 I'd hope the game makes it hard. If it wasnt' difficult, then all those medals for valor given to the men who actually did it in war would be a bit diminished, wouldn't they? Ken 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanzfeld Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 I have more luck using fast when trying this. Also, I suspect that spotting from tanks is a little uber and it may be looked at in the future. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Yeah the Nahverteidigungswaffe is really cool to see. Totally surprised me once in a game. As for close assaulting like that the two things that have helped my guys succeed in the past are - getting close in cover first, distracting the tank. Your men were making quite a long trip slow moving in the grass. Let them move up behind bocage and then run through an opening behind the tank and see how that effects things. Then add another team in front of the tank - with some cover - and have them shoot at the tank. The combination of the tank looking one way and the covered approach of the assault team will likely make a difference. It is still going to be dangerous. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stikkypixie Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 I've ran some tests and uploaded a video showing how effective it is to sneak up infantry to a tank with the intention of destroying it with only grenades. So far it seems to me that it's not a very good tactic since the infantry end up getting killed almost every time. Here's a video showing 10 attempts of infantry sneaking up on a Panther G (early) (skill: Veteran, Motivation: Normal, Leadership: +1, Fitness: Fit) using the "slow" command in extra tall grass: The panther only gets destroyed once. I might try this on different terrain later with different skill, motivation, and leadership levels. Does anyone have any tips on how to destroy tanks when you only have grenades? One thing I noticed for the first time is that the Panther uses a grenade launcher when infantry get close. I never knew they had that! :eek: Try wheat tiles. Those offer excellent concealment 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejetset Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 I've only had success assaulting tanks when there is a building that totally blocks the tank's LOS. My guys ambush the tank from around the corner of a building. Other than that, I've managed to do it a couple of times when hiding guys in fields or behind a wall and letting the tank come to them. It's not easy ... and I imagine it wasn't easy back in '44 either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 JonS took out 2 tigers on me in a PBEM via close assault. Smoke is a big help. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowMotion Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 I'd hope the game makes it hard. If it wasnt' difficult, then all those medals for valor given to the men who actually did it in war would be a bit diminished, wouldn't they? Yes. Just for comparison, I checked the wiki page of Piat - the antitank weapon used by British infantry. How many men got a Victoria Cross for using Piat? 6 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIAT 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Close assaulting a tank on the other side of Bocage, or when the tank's rolled into your position in the woods are the only times I can remember a close assault working. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sublime Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 It's a very capricious feature.. For me also, it also seems to work on me not for me. For example in FI an opponent barreled several shermans right into a town I was holding - thought I had him in the bag. The Shermans won the battle against my hordes of German infantry in the buildings surrounding them. For some reason they only used rifle grenades which penetrated vaguely annoying the shermans. As stated by womble, and just the same as with rocket AT weapons it's best used when the armor stumbles upon you. Though I have seen it when charging the enemy a la human wave - most recent example being my guastatori literally chasing my opponents MK IV and Tiger across a map at night, destroying them with grenades and satchels. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee_Vincent Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Still definitely worth a try vs open-top vehicles though... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Schultz Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Smoke, and coming in from the rear quarters, will help a lot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLotusEater Posted February 11, 2013 Author Share Posted February 11, 2013 Yeah, I guess smoke or using the bocage is the best way to go. Anything else seems like suicide. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agusto Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Still definitely worth a try vs open-top vehicles though... One time i had a german breech team and 2 scout teams ambush 2 US armored cars and 2 stuarts in a forest. The scout teams detroyed one of the stuarts with a panzerfaust and the my engineers killed the armored cars with demo charges. The surviving stuart retreated. So demo charges appear to be very effective against armored cars, if you can get your troops close enough. The handgreandes my guys thew at the stuarts first didnt do any damage, though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 ...demo charges appear to be very effective against armored cars, if you can get your troops close enough... Anecdotes here suggest they're pretty effective against most armour, if you can get your guys to throw them. The handgreandes my guys thew at the stuarts first didnt do any damage, though. I haven't suffered any close attacks that I can recall since the "tiny explosions do less damage to armour" patch, but assuming that doesn't apply to the close assault abstraction, the grenades probably did some track damage. At least that's what I've seen from CAs that didn't kill the tank outright. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkerner Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Smoke, and coming in from the rear quarters, will help a lot. Sounds like a date in prison. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MengJiaoRedux Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Anecdotes here suggest they're pretty effective against most armour, if you can get your guys to throw them. the demo charges work. I vaguely recall putting the BLAST line on a tiger from behind and around a village corner and it worked fine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 the demo charges work. I vaguely recall putting the BLAST line on a tiger from behind and around a village corner and it worked fine. They are used automatically. The blast command is for breaching walls/obstacles, not close assaulting tanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timuppet Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Some anti-tank weapons are not present such as Magnetic mine Stielhandgranate in grape of seven heads Tellermine 43 with manual action fuse (ideal to place between hull and turret interstice) Always having in mind that close assaulting tanks stay a realy dangerous sport. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Some anti-tank weapons are not present such as Magnetic mine Stielhandgranate in grape of seven heads Tellermine 43 with manual action fuse (ideal to place between hull and turret interstice) I do believe they are present. They're what makes close assaulting even vaguely possible rather than a total freak: destroying a tank with single grenades is even more difficult. They're present, but not explicitly represented: abstracted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 JonS took out 2 tigers on me in a PBEM via close assault. Smoke is a big help. One of them was in the middle of a fairly large field, too. Like any other significant tactical problem, close assaulting a tank successfully requires a plan, combined arms, some luck, and a willingness to accept casualties. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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