Vark Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Bil, do you Grilles have the ammo carriers are are they on their lonesome? How do you intend to deploy them, doctrinally the 150mm infantry gun, as you know, was mainly an indirect weapon. Can you use these SPG's in that way, or will you be forced to fire direct? If direct fire I guess the building will be the first target, moving up your SPG's during the artillery barrage, with PZ IV overwatch perhaps? Or are they too vulnerable an asset for such a task? I guess some Ju-87's or Fw190's are out of the question, you could do with some SC 1000's and SD-2's. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZPB II Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Snicker. That must have pissed you off Nah, gotten used to it. Lost my King Tiger before it got a single shot off in CMBN:CW. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanir Ausf B Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Thanks. Well I do think the spotting issues I have been having with the T30s, especially the one does not seem normal.. I wouldn't go so far as to say buggy. But they do seem awfully stealthy to me. Sounds like you don't think spotting is still too easy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bil Hardenberger Posted August 15, 2012 Author Share Posted August 15, 2012 Sounds like you don't think spotting is still too easy Depends on the situation... i tend to think infantry, especially small teams get spotted too easily.. but with vehicles its often a roll of the dice.. you never know what you are going to get. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bil Hardenberger Posted August 15, 2012 Author Share Posted August 15, 2012 Bil, do you Grilles have the ammo carriers are are they on their lonesome? How do you intend to deploy them, doctrinally the 150mm infantry gun, as you know, was mainly an indirect weapon. Can you use these SPG's in that way, or will you be forced to fire direct? If direct fire I guess the building will be the first target, moving up your SPG's during the artillery barrage, with PZ IV overwatch perhaps? Or are they too vulnerable an asset for such a task? I guess some Ju-87's or Fw190's are out of the question, you could do with some SC 1000's and SD-2's. I will only say that I need to be very careful with them.. and I'd rather use them direct fire if I can do that in relative safety. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 ...doctrinally the 150mm infantry gun, as you know, was mainly an indirect weapon... And praise be to BFC for allowing us to expose these precious assets to the risk of direct fire... There's a good argument for excluding lots of the HE chuckers we routinely use to suppress strongpoints from on-map use. Can you use these SPG's in that way, or will you be forced to fire direct? It would be cool if they appeared in the artillery call selection menu. IME, though, it can be difficult to use them to fire indirect, since their elevation restrictions mean they have to shoot the "low track" and there's usually something in the way. I guess some Ju-87's or Fw190's are out of the question... Allied air superiority in the timeframe was almost total. German air support should be very rare indeed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandokan Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 The Guastatori are, to the best of my knowledge, some sort of elite assault engineers and they seem to have the best equipment. A platoon comes with an LMG team, a mortar and a generous sprinkling of SMGs. The MAB38 is the Beretta 9mm SMG, apparently the finest single piece in the Italian inventory. It's rare but when it goes blakablakablatblat you better duck! And, oh sweet, a wild Grille appears! That 150mm is beastly. (I'm trying to find information on the Guastatori but everything is in Italian and Google Translate leaves behind a garbled mess. But it seems they were pretty hardcore.) The Guastatori are, to the best of my knowledge, some sort of elite assault engineers and they seem to have the best equipment. A platoon comes with an LMG team, a mortar and a generous sprinkling of SMGs. The MAB38 is the Beretta 9mm SMG, apparently the finest single piece in the Italian inventory. It's rare but when it goes blakablakablatblat you better duck! (I'm trying to find information on the Guastatori but everything is in Italian and Google Translate leaves behind a garbled mess. But it seems they were pretty hardcore.) I don't know if it has never been published in english but, about this matter, the "must read" book would be "Alamein 1933-1962" by Paolo Caccia Dominioni. He was the commander of the 31° Btg guastatori in North Africa. Ah, there is also a newsreel here. Hm, almost surely staged. Anyway: I'm not sure, but I suspect the commander, the guy wearing the alpini cap could be Caccia Dominioni himself. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bil Hardenberger Posted August 17, 2012 Author Share Posted August 17, 2012 The Twenty-Sixth Minute Looks like ND moved his T30 back into position... whats interesting though is that this is the T30 that was on the other side of the Villa.. so I can probably expect to see the other one join this guy soon. There is a difference this time... I have an MG that can see him and that is placing fire onto this vehicle. Next turn I also plotted some area fire from my Brixia mortar onto the location where this thing is sitting. There are other moving pieces as well, but no guarantee they will be ready to be effective next turn. My OP identified a few new players this turn. There are two squads in the trees at the bottom of the slope leading to the Orchard objective. I suspect there is an entire Platoon in these woods. He also spotted another Sherman as well... so in the trees on that ridge sit the Platoon HQ tank and tank #3.. so he probably has four Shermans in total now. Great. ND is definitely un-assing the Hill objective.. I spotted four or five teams running from the Hill to the Villa.. obviously trying to avoid the impending artillery. Heh... Oh, and I have been working on a few mods, they are still WIP. I have really missed my icon and gridded terrain mods. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vark Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 A platoon in the woods! This looks like a job for Mortar Man, or even Wunohfive Man. If you have some burning vehicle mods can we see those on the T-30's soon, pretty please. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake_eye Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 To Bil, Could you tell me were you got the tactical signs displayed on your shots? I have not found them in the Repository. BTW I played the scenario and used the gully (K) as I told you earlier. I shall have a spoiler on it once you are through the AAR, since it brings interesting tactical arguments (written in my previous reply) that a designer should take in account within the game time frame. That if he wants to offer a realistic scenario offering a good playability. Cheer 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 They look like LT SMASH's WW2 icons that he did for CMBN. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bil Hardenberger Posted August 17, 2012 Author Share Posted August 17, 2012 To Bil, Could you tell me were you got the tactical signs displayed on your shots? I have not found them in the Repository. snake_eye, the floating icons are my old CMBN mod that I am in the midst of converting to CMFI, adding new units etc. The CMBN mod can be found on the Repository, look for the Period based icon set. These are based on WW2 US tactical symbols. They look like LT SMASH's WW2 icons that he did for CMBN. Nope they are mine! ALL MINE!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Bil 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 My apologies, Bill. They look really good. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bil Hardenberger Posted August 17, 2012 Author Share Posted August 17, 2012 My apologies, Bill. They look really good. No problem Erwin... I looked at Lt. Smash's set on the Repository... and while similar his isn't strictly period... while mine is (he has a smattering of NATO symbology as well). The more choices the better I think. Bil 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I didn't realize that about Smash's mod. (Altho' I like it and have been using it.) I look forward to yours. Just having new icons for specialized units will make a big difference and make play more efficient in CMFI. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bil Hardenberger Posted August 17, 2012 Author Share Posted August 17, 2012 To Bil, Could you tell me were you got the tactical signs displayed on your shots? I have not found them in the Repository. Here is where the CMBN set is located: http://www.battlefront.com/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=314&func=fileinfo&id=1142 I never did a CW set (that I released anyway)... and the CMFI set should be ready in a week or so. Bil 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canada Guy Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 I love your American tactical icons and will await them so that I can replace the ingame icons.For some reason, the ingame icons really detract from the game for me. Hopefully your set will be broken into a separate allied and axis set. I like to replace the axis icons with the actual period German icons for the axis and yours for the allies. I do not think I have seen a set of CW icons though. Are they any different from the American icons? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bil Hardenberger Posted August 18, 2012 Author Share Posted August 18, 2012 I have almost finished the period (based on period US map symbols) floating icon set for CMFI. Here is the key so you can ID unit type as the AAR progresses. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake_eye Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 Thanks Bil for the CMFI floating Icons preview. Meanwhile, I have Downloaded yours CMBN ones. They do provide a better ident of the troops than the ones in the game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerryCMBB Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 Looks great Bil. Seems that the icons are lighter in color compared to game ones. CMFI has a Scout Team icon now. I suppose that was not in the army symbols? So would they just show up as infantry? Gerry 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 I recall wrestling with Russian map symbols for CM:Afghanistan. You don't realize how deeply the modern NATO map symbology is burned into your brain til you attempt to use someone elses. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bil Hardenberger Posted August 18, 2012 Author Share Posted August 18, 2012 Looks great Bil. Seems that the icons are lighter in color compared to game ones. CMFI has a Scout Team icon now. I suppose that was not in the army symbols? So would they just show up as infantry? Gerry Scout team? Yes it too is represented.. the Recon symbol in my key is I believe what you are asking about.. it is represented by the small diamond topped with the infantry arrow. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerryCMBB Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 Thanks. You can tell I am not too familiar with these symbols. And not doing well with detail today! Gerry 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 MikeyD, Do you mean unit symbology or map symbology? Russian maps are incredibly information rich compared to our 1:50,000 scale tactical maps. Used to be pretty good with the tactical symbology, too. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bil Hardenberger Posted August 19, 2012 Author Share Posted August 19, 2012 Here is the complete corrected key for your reference whenever this AAR gets moving again (waiting for ND): 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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