undercovergeek Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Here is the North Eastern most corner of the map, the Alled player comes down the Highway here and crosses the imfamous Bridge 4 seen in the bottom left corner, across and onto the Ingouf Farm area, to be done next. 6 hours work here - but damn its addictive and enjoyable Uploaded with ImageShack.us 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undercovergeek Posted January 9, 2012 Author Share Posted January 9, 2012 2 and a half fields out of approx 20 done!! - changed the time to put the sun up - looks a lot better map (well, IMHO) Uploaded with ImageShack.us 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Lovely. And thank god for daylight scenarios. Am sick of night battles. Have to fiddle with my nVidia controls every time to make it like an overcast day just so I can see anything. Then put it all back the way it was before for work or any other game. Why no in-game brightness controls? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLeftFlank Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 And I was just about to ask whether anyone else out there except Broadsword is still actively working on "historical" scenarios or campaigns? (i.e. where the maps, forces and situations are reasonably closely matched to historical accounts). Awesome! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 LLF: I also love the idea of "historically accurate" sims. But, due to game limitations, I now think them to be practically impossible. One HAS to put all sorts of ahistoric abstractions to sim things that were possible in RL that are simply not available/possible in a game. Consequently, I don't think that getting hung up on trying to make every detail as "accurate" as possible is really worth it. "Close enuff" is "good enuff" in a game. And that means you can get the scenario released a lot sooner. (Talking about you here, LLF!) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake_eye Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 To recreate an historical battle the way it happened is rather difficult. You can model the ground the way it was, you can have an OOB the way it was, but you can not set the individual input that at the time gave a victory and or a defeat. Tactically speaking some battles were won despites a poor tactical deployment,, only because the men who fought it did overwhelming efforts against an enemy, well deployed but lacking the will to win. These restrictions do not prevent a designer to do something close to what happen, but in the game a good dice being thrown, at the right time, might change completely the out coming of the battle. Some were won in the past by a stroke of luck coming at the right time. That is why historians like very much to go over battles, bringing new facts that should have changed from their point of view these battles. That is somehow, what we are doing when playing an historical scenario. I think that we should firstly enjoy the game and be less strict about the details of that historical battle as long as the scenario is credible and come close to what it was. To Undercovergeek Nice map, good work and it looks credible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undercovergeek Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 Thanks for the comments - i intend to get south of the river done first then hop over into Ingouf Farm, the cabbage patch, and the railway lines the Germans retreated over, and the small village there, at this point id like to trigger the correct OOB reinforcements for the assault on Carentan itself through the very famous crossroads, cafe and broken building 'entrance' - need better house graphics though, and a broken house 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wodin Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Wasn't Carentan held by FJ? Or am I remembering wrong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undercovergeek Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 Wasn't Carentan held by FJ? Or am I remembering wrong. no - youre right - but i want to build the map, i cant see a whole lot of mega changes to map building by the time FJs are released and i can go in and change the OOB - as discussed previously in the locked Carentan thread - i hope itll still get played prior to the FJs and then i can refine it when we have them 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undercovergeek Posted January 12, 2012 Author Share Posted January 12, 2012 North of the river is done - had a blast - its a shame the Allies will simply cross Bridge 4 and go on into Carentan - i recreated the Ingouf orchards over on the west that'll never be seen - its a hard life that of the scenario artist!! Below is west of the bridge - the orchards are over in the western corner - although it looks 'overflooded' all the photos i can find for this area show the flooding to this extent just North of the river - its the river they used for the flooding:- Uploaded with ImageShack.us and East of the bridge as already seen:- Uploaded with ImageShack.us 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankster65 Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Alright...now you've done it. I'm going to have to go and watch Band of Brothers again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undercovergeek Posted January 12, 2012 Author Share Posted January 12, 2012 Alright...now you've done it. I'm going to have to go and watch Band of Brothers again. heh - tis only the very north - theres a whole lot of fields to build before i get to the 'crossroads' at the other end - by then i hope someone has made a broken building bmp and maybe a guy on a white horse!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 It looks splendid. Well done! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 LLF: I also love the idea of "historically accurate" sims. But, due to game limitations, I now think them to be practically impossible. One HAS to put all sorts of ahistoric abstractions to sim things that were possible in RL that are simply not available/possible in a game. Consequently, I don't think that getting hung up on trying to make every detail as "accurate" as possible is really worth it. "Close enuff" is "good enuff" in a game. And that means you can get the scenario released a lot sooner. (Talking about you here, LLF!) While I agree technically - there is no way to recreate the true fog of war that the comabatants would have faced nor the oddities of "sh*t happens" that can impact the flow of a battle, I nevertheless love the attempts to recreate a situation so I can more fully understand some of the difficulites faced. I think Broadsword and LLF's maps both give a much better feel for that than any generic QB battle will present you. Having experimented with making a Huertgen map gave me a much better feel for the 28th ID divisions fight for Schmidt than any 2D map has been able to present. So keep at it undercovergeek. While I think all will appreciate your work there are those of us who are really into the attempts to recreate histroical situations that really love the extra mile of effort. I still marvel over LLFs work on Ramadi and look forward to his going back to that for additional scenarios. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undercovergeek Posted January 14, 2012 Author Share Posted January 14, 2012 The famous Ingouf Farm which will be strongly defended from surrounding areas and in the grounds itself - surrounding fields and 'extras' are to be finalised but this is the farm and its surrounds laid down Uploaded with ImageShack.us 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broadsword56 Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Did you use an object or a shelter to make a covered archway gate to the farm compound? If so, let's see a view of that, please. I never thought of that but always disliked the way the entrances to walled farmyards looked so naked. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undercovergeek Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 For broadsword - i used 3 'type 3' shelters and merged them together, i wanted to create some kind of covered courtyard entrance to the farm and this is the closest i could get, however the engine doesnt like it much and usually deletes one of the shelters:- Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us and the back of Ingouf Farm leading to the orchard and the cafe/village area before reaching the railway lines:- Uploaded with ImageShack.us 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fryberg Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Lovely. And thank god for daylight scenarios. Am sick of night battles. Have to fiddle with my nVidia controls every time to make it like an overcast day just so I can see anything. Then put it all back the way it was before for work or any other game. Why no in-game brightness controls? could you make it so the sun is coming fron the east in the morning to simulate shadows and glare. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undercovergeek Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 i maybe mistaken but i think it does that already 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undercovergeek Posted January 21, 2012 Author Share Posted January 21, 2012 Slow going this week, particularly as i want to get the high walled village near the railway lines right - it was very claustrophobic and scary down there:- Uploaded with ImageShack.us There are definite places on the map for which i can place real life exact locations for which i have good arial photographs - i will build these first and then create the interconnecting fields and roads - this is why the Ingouf Farm seems to be in the middle of nowhere - i need to get its perspective from bridge 4 right and then build the scenery between the two:- Uploaded with ImageShack.us And then just some particular hot spots on the map im proud of:- Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurra Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Nice work! Eagerly expecting. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Really looks like lovely sites to fight in... getting close to roleplaying detail. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Schultz Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Very nice! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undercovergeek Posted January 22, 2012 Author Share Posted January 22, 2012 thanks guys - lots of work done today on the east side of the map, the cafe, the small village and the high walls, looking to start the railway lines that will lead on into Carentan then build up the fields to the scene we're all familiar with at the crossroads 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wodin Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Blimey Undercover for your first map it's superb..infact it would be superb if it was someone 100th map! I loved the try at a courtyard and that pillared roof. Though I notice one end went into the house at the end.. Amazing work though...really is starting to ooze atmosphere. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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