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I would think a coordinated ATACMS/Storm Shadow attack would seriously tax any air defense with radically different attack profiles and increase likelihood of success.

Similar to the US at Midway,  although it was unplanned.  Get the defenders to focus on one attack vector and hit them from another.  In this case I would reverse and get the eyes up with ATACMS then hit them low with shadows.

It would be expensive, but soooo worth it.

Such maturity. Yes, dear Butschi, let's do that. 😉

You war monger. 😀

Mmm, I sense it's almost..
MODERATOR-TIME!
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A very well sourced thread about NATO 155mm ammunition production, which is to hit 2.5 million rounds per annum in 2025, based only on the 6 biggest producers ( not including Turkey and France for example).
 

A very well sourced thread about NATO 155mm ammunition production, which is to hit 2.5 million rounds per annum in 2025, based only on the 6 biggest producers ( not including Turkey and France for example).
 

Without NATO airpower, it's difficult to find a assertive way forward into the operational depth of the Russian defense. Penny packets of AFVs are just replacements. Ammo shipments are just replacements. The UA would have to stop offensive ops now and husband those donations for a later date. But that is unacceptable from a pubic image POV. It's a horrible dilemma. Putin is loving this. If Ukraine has something unconventional and devious up it's sleeve, I can't wait.  

Zelensky is not happy:
https://thehill.com/policy/international/4090499-zelensky-says-uncertainty-over-ukraines-nato-membership/
I don't blame him. But he has to know a) kinetic fighting needs to end b) then Ukraine enters NATO c) there will be an uneasy peace for a long time. This is the west's endgame. All the talk about reclaiming 100% of Ukraine is slipping through their fingers. The UA will not commit their western brigades until assurances from the west (e.g. airpower) are in place. Zelensky will not play his ace in the hole until certain battlefield conditions are met. Those conditions are not under his complete control. Without those conditions, the UA can't impose its will on the RA. Meanwhile sustained offensive pressure could cause some form of collapse. But that is more an indication of Russian weakness than western strength. Since negotiating with Putin is nearly impossible, NATO has to step up now. Anything Russian on Ukrainian soil should be considered hostile by NATO and then proceed per their doctrine. But, that's not the west's endgame - so around and around we go. Where the war stops nobody knows. 

A pessimistic post by Mashovets about the Zaporozhe offensive. The first one, AFAIK, which worries me.
 

Also confirmed on pro-Russian Telegram milinfolive:
 https://t.me/milinfolive/103396
As a result of the strike by the British Storm Shadow cruise missiles on the ZKP of the 58th Army in the Berdyansk region, the deputy commander of the Southern Military District, Lieutenant General Oleg Tsokov, was killed.

LMAO
 
 

When I was in the Army DPICM was *just* being fielded in any significant numbers. The original idea for usage was to fire it at a target of opportunity - a mass of armor forming up to attack in front of you, but more likely a mass of armor/vehicles in the second echelon that was forming up to exploit or continue the advance, in order to halt that advance through lack of support. We didn't have unlimited supplies so it was planned to be used when it could be most effective, usually in a Time on Target, Battalion FFE.
Since we expected in Europe to be completely on the defensive as the Soviet Army advanced into West Germany, unexploded munitions were not really seen as an issue, since they would be the Soviet's problem, behind their lines. (of course the pie-in-the-sky projection was that all civilians would have evacuated west in advance of the Soviet Army, and we know that wouldn't be the case - not everyone anyway.)
In Ukraine with a more static, back and forth front line, this is much more of a concern, for obvious reasons.
Just a little background from the olden days 🙂
Dave

Jaw-dropping footage of yesterday's strike at RU ammo depot, a must watch!
 

Jaw-dropping footage of yesterday's strike at RU ammo depot, a must watch!
 

Jaw-dropping footage of yesterday's strike at RU ammo depot, a must watch!
 

Jaw-dropping footage of yesterday's strike at RU ammo depot, a must watch!
 

Jaw-dropping footage of yesterday's strike at RU ammo depot, a must watch!
 

Jaw-dropping footage of yesterday's strike at RU ammo depot, a must watch!
 

Jaw-dropping footage of yesterday's strike at RU ammo depot, a must watch!
 

Jaw-dropping footage of yesterday's strike at RU ammo depot, a must watch!
 

Jaw-dropping footage of yesterday's strike at RU ammo depot, a must watch!
 

Jaw-dropping footage of yesterday's strike at RU ammo depot, a must watch!
 

Ukrainians, being grateful allies, decided to celebrate 4 July in a big way.

Every time I read someone writing in all caps "HERE'S WHAT THE MEDIA WILL NOT TELL YOU" it goes into my mental spam filter and I just ignore it. Same with comments that end with "crying with laughter" emojis.