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Parroting some of what @Mord said; in CM you do not only play as the Company Commander, but every leader at every level. A command delay would make sense if you only played as the Company Commander, or the highest leadership position on the battlefield. But that isn't the case. Is it realistic that the scout team magically knows exactly what their battalion CO wants them to do? Not unless they have a direct line to him, which they wouldn't. However it is equally unrealistic for the scout team to be completely immobile and dumb just because the Bn CO isn't telling them what to do every second. 
"Hey Pvt Snuffy, I know we've been getting shot at by that tank for a few minutes now, but we can't leave until we get an order to displace from the Bn CO." Doesn't work. 
In order for a command delay system to work in CM, the TacAI would have to control much more than it currently does. You would have to be able to tell the TacAI of a platoon for example, to attack a barn, and then the TacAI would have to be able to handle everything by itself. The movement of squads and teams, scouting and assaulting the barn, etc. If that system were in place, then you could introduce a command delay. If the platoon was in the middle of attacking the barn, it would take a bit for it to extract itself from the attack due to C3 delays.
As it stands, I prefer the CM system. Yes, it involves much more micromanagement, but it is also more realistic in the end. If you really want a command delay, there are a few special rulesets that some here on the forums have created that restrict what the player is able to do per turn. I would advise trying those systems out first before asking/hoping for BFC to add a new mechanic to the game engine.
P.S, my name is spelled with two upper case "I's" for those of you who have trouble tagging me. 

Parroting some of what @Mord said; in CM you do not only play as the Company Commander, but every leader at every level. A command delay would make sense if you only played as the Company Commander, or the highest leadership position on the battlefield. But that isn't the case. Is it realistic that the scout team magically knows exactly what their battalion CO wants them to do? Not unless they have a direct line to him, which they wouldn't. However it is equally unrealistic for the scout team to be completely immobile and dumb just because the Bn CO isn't telling them what to do every second. 
"Hey Pvt Snuffy, I know we've been getting shot at by that tank for a few minutes now, but we can't leave until we get an order to displace from the Bn CO." Doesn't work. 
In order for a command delay system to work in CM, the TacAI would have to control much more than it currently does. You would have to be able to tell the TacAI of a platoon for example, to attack a barn, and then the TacAI would have to be able to handle everything by itself. The movement of squads and teams, scouting and assaulting the barn, etc. If that system were in place, then you could introduce a command delay. If the platoon was in the middle of attacking the barn, it would take a bit for it to extract itself from the attack due to C3 delays.
As it stands, I prefer the CM system. Yes, it involves much more micromanagement, but it is also more realistic in the end. If you really want a command delay, there are a few special rulesets that some here on the forums have created that restrict what the player is able to do per turn. I would advise trying those systems out first before asking/hoping for BFC to add a new mechanic to the game engine.
P.S, my name is spelled with two upper case "I's" for those of you who have trouble tagging me. 

As an aside, I've started the Turkish YPRs. Plain's about done, attempts to camou will come next.
 

Parroting some of what @Mord said; in CM you do not only play as the Company Commander, but every leader at every level. A command delay would make sense if you only played as the Company Commander, or the highest leadership position on the battlefield. But that isn't the case. Is it realistic that the scout team magically knows exactly what their battalion CO wants them to do? Not unless they have a direct line to him, which they wouldn't. However it is equally unrealistic for the scout team to be completely immobile and dumb just because the Bn CO isn't telling them what to do every second. 
"Hey Pvt Snuffy, I know we've been getting shot at by that tank for a few minutes now, but we can't leave until we get an order to displace from the Bn CO." Doesn't work. 
In order for a command delay system to work in CM, the TacAI would have to control much more than it currently does. You would have to be able to tell the TacAI of a platoon for example, to attack a barn, and then the TacAI would have to be able to handle everything by itself. The movement of squads and teams, scouting and assaulting the barn, etc. If that system were in place, then you could introduce a command delay. If the platoon was in the middle of attacking the barn, it would take a bit for it to extract itself from the attack due to C3 delays.
As it stands, I prefer the CM system. Yes, it involves much more micromanagement, but it is also more realistic in the end. If you really want a command delay, there are a few special rulesets that some here on the forums have created that restrict what the player is able to do per turn. I would advise trying those systems out first before asking/hoping for BFC to add a new mechanic to the game engine.
P.S, my name is spelled with two upper case "I's" for those of you who have trouble tagging me. 

Parroting some of what @Mord said; in CM you do not only play as the Company Commander, but every leader at every level. A command delay would make sense if you only played as the Company Commander, or the highest leadership position on the battlefield. But that isn't the case. Is it realistic that the scout team magically knows exactly what their battalion CO wants them to do? Not unless they have a direct line to him, which they wouldn't. However it is equally unrealistic for the scout team to be completely immobile and dumb just because the Bn CO isn't telling them what to do every second. 
"Hey Pvt Snuffy, I know we've been getting shot at by that tank for a few minutes now, but we can't leave until we get an order to displace from the Bn CO." Doesn't work. 
In order for a command delay system to work in CM, the TacAI would have to control much more than it currently does. You would have to be able to tell the TacAI of a platoon for example, to attack a barn, and then the TacAI would have to be able to handle everything by itself. The movement of squads and teams, scouting and assaulting the barn, etc. If that system were in place, then you could introduce a command delay. If the platoon was in the middle of attacking the barn, it would take a bit for it to extract itself from the attack due to C3 delays.
As it stands, I prefer the CM system. Yes, it involves much more micromanagement, but it is also more realistic in the end. If you really want a command delay, there are a few special rulesets that some here on the forums have created that restrict what the player is able to do per turn. I would advise trying those systems out first before asking/hoping for BFC to add a new mechanic to the game engine.
P.S, my name is spelled with two upper case "I's" for those of you who have trouble tagging me. 

For the record, Grogheads.com takes no official position with respect to Battlefront one way or the other. However, our members possess a variety of opinions that we encourage them to express, be they positive or negative. Wargaming is a subject we are all very passionate about obviously, so sometimes, some people have difficulty expressing their views in a rational, calm manner. I know I'm stating the obvious, but I just want to go on record by stating clearly that the opinions expressed in our forums belong to those of the poster.
Personally speaking, I have every CM game ever released. Yes, I've been frustrated with the DRM and licensing and the delays, but it never has, nor will it ever dissuade me from buying a game in the series if it appeals to me. Shock Force 2 is eagerly awaited. 
I encourage anyone here who strongly supports CM and Battlefront to hop into our forums and represent. You are all welcome.

Now that was funny ............     
 
I registered at Grogheads so I could read what they were saying about Combat Missions.  It was cool to see your CM videos over there and to read the positive responses to them.  I think your videos gave a good & accurate representation of CM.  Maybe you should be Combat Mission's PR guy.......    Well done.  +1
I wish the C2 system between Battlefront HQ and the forum was a little more robust however at the end of the day this is a very cool game.      

Nah, no worries brother. I saw your posts, you'd fall under the level headed title. And no, I don't think that the whole site is like that. Just noticed the typical hate pattern with the CM thread and one particular culprit who basically poisons any well he gets near.
And for what it's worth I have found your CM critiques to be decent on these boards. As we both know there's a difference between critique and outright destructive behavior.
Mord.
P.S. The "video game" thing was a dig at the ridiculousness of the poster. Trust me, I had to correct an old GF back during CMBO when she called it "that video game you play"! She didn't appreciate my definition or sarcasm.

You could say the same thing about the Syrians in SF. They share the same equipment, why have Guards, Mech, Conscrips etc. we could just mod them?
Well, what if I want to play a game where Russian Separatists and regular Russians attack a town? I can't mod that. And neither can anyone else. They will always be mixed. More options is better than no options.
 
Mord.

To be clear, Grogheads has a front page with publications and a forum. The forum is not the official opinion of Grogheads. I do not recall any official publication by Grogheads publicly denouncing Combat Mission or BFC. 
I agree that it is disturbing that many other wargaming circles have a negative opinion of CM/BFC, and I would hope that will eventually change, and that those with a negative opinion are in the (loud) minority. However the loud grumblings of some forumgoers does not constitute the official opinion of the website.
Further, I have posted some Combat Mission related threads over there before, and all have been readily accepted and appreciated. I've even made a few posts in the thread referenced on that forum, and would like to note that there are many people in that thread who express their support of CM/BFC.
In reverse here, the opinions of forumgoers here at BFC do not constitute the official position of the company. BFC does not like Steam and they have their reasons. Lets (please, for the love of all that is holy) avoid another argument over Steam here in this thread. BFC does not however have any official position towards Grogheads, or towards any other wargamer publication or website that I know of. Others who have been here longer than I can fill in the gaps on that, but I am sure Grogheads or its community at large is not "blacklisted" by BFC.
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I don't care where you fall in all this, that's just plain funny!
By the way @Mord, I completely agree with everything you've said. I can fully understand criticism, but some of the outright hatred expressed by a few individuals is completely absurd and frankly pathetic. Getting that mad about a video game tactical simulator or its company is indicative of deeper, much more troubling issues. 
Just to reiterate: I've posted a number of things over at Grogheads and I think that by and large the community there is great. A few nasty individuals do not speak for or represent the community as a whole. Let's not forget that we have our share of less-than-savory individuals here as well. I for one certainly do not think those few individuals represent these forums in any way whatsoever. 

To be clear, Grogheads has a front page with publications and a forum. The forum is not the official opinion of Grogheads. I do not recall any official publication by Grogheads publicly denouncing Combat Mission or BFC. 
I agree that it is disturbing that many other wargaming circles have a negative opinion of CM/BFC, and I would hope that will eventually change, and that those with a negative opinion are in the (loud) minority. However the loud grumblings of some forumgoers does not constitute the official opinion of the website.
Further, I have posted some Combat Mission related threads over there before, and all have been readily accepted and appreciated. I've even made a few posts in the thread referenced on that forum, and would like to note that there are many people in that thread who express their support of CM/BFC.
In reverse here, the opinions of forumgoers here at BFC do not constitute the official position of the company. BFC does not like Steam and they have their reasons. Lets (please, for the love of all that is holy) avoid another argument over Steam here in this thread. BFC does not however have any official position towards Grogheads, or towards any other wargamer publication or website that I know of. Others who have been here longer than I can fill in the gaps on that, but I am sure Grogheads or its community at large is not "blacklisted" by BFC.
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I don't care where you fall in all this, that's just plain funny!
By the way @Mord, I completely agree with everything you've said. I can fully understand criticism, but some of the outright hatred expressed by a few individuals is completely absurd and frankly pathetic. Getting that mad about a video game tactical simulator or its company is indicative of deeper, much more troubling issues. 
Just to reiterate: I've posted a number of things over at Grogheads and I think that by and large the community there is great. A few nasty individuals do not speak for or represent the community as a whole. Let's not forget that we have our share of less-than-savory individuals here as well. I for one certainly do not think those few individuals represent these forums in any way whatsoever. 

So, all the guys that said they'd never play or buy a CM game again and blah, blah, blah. These are the guys I should worry about? These are the guys BF should cater to? Gimme a break, man. One guy even said he hadn't played a BF game in 10 years but he sure had a lot to say LOL.They were only there to puke hate and their bitterness and prove how edgy they were because they dislike a video game. Pretty big waste of time if you ask me. But like I said that wasn't a good example.
To be fair there were level headed people there but the truly angry ones were the same old same old, with the same tired beefs.
EDITED: And yeah, The GS CM forum predicted BF would be outta business back in 2007 because of the new engine. Now it's one guy talking to himself while we are waiting on version 2 of the game they said would kill the company. Meanwhile, one of the original perpetrators had to migrate to Grogheads because there is no one left to listen to his cancer except for the lonely guy that hates him. Even angry people can't stand that kind of toxicity, it kills forums.
Mord.

BF have a product which nothing else measures up to in my opinion.  Very few people will be foolish enough to pass up on it just because they are miffed about the comms.

I asked Steve. He said he'd tell me early November, at the latest.
 
Mord.

LOL. I  read through one thread over there. Nothing but the GS CM Forum 2.0. Same hate, same bile, same environment of constant negativity. Christ, one guy was even wishing for BF to fail. And low and behold an appearance by everone's favorite toxic stalker-troll to boot (still acting the same cancerous way he always has) which was no surprise considering the atmosphere. Yeah, we may have problems here, arguments and what not but at least it isn't constant. If that's your idea of how "senior wargamers" act and the kind of interactions you enjoy, well that's your business. Me, I'd rather not even be on the internet than to hangout in threads like that. I come to forums for fun and laughs and a little bit of discussion, not to read pages and pages of bitterness and hate. And the hilarious part is most of the guys that were really nasty claim they don't even play the game. Same old #$%^ different year and forum.
I agree with some of what you said in this thread, but that was a bad example of why anyone should care what the outside thinks.
 
Mord.

Obligatory +1 from me for Fulda Gap

The most frustrating thing to me is that  when someone complains about the comms blackout, it's immediately run up as a tirade about missing deadlines.  There are a number of people who have specifically stated that its not about the date, its about being left in the dark.
Can someone who is in any kind of "know" just address that?  And its not just about this site.  There are threads on other sites where the attitude is much harsher about the lack of updates.  And those sites should be a marketing dream for BFC.  Instead, BFC is vilified for not communicating. 
A simple five minutes to post an update would solve this particular point.  A simple "Its taking longer than expected.   Limited time, overly complex, unexpected challenges, dog ate my homework, yada yada."

It isn't whining when people have been waiting two years for a patch, and it isn't whining when a date is set for a release and then missed without a word.
 
You're the one who whines after people criticize BF for anything.
 

I agree completely. The developers have developed some bad habits concerning marketing and support of their games, and these habits continue to go unchallanged by the community, thus ensuring the continuation of said bad habbits. If their product sucked I obviously wouldn't care one bit, but since the product is pretty excellent this constant lack of communication and broken promises and deadlines (in regards to the patch) is getting on my nerves. 

Really when customers paid $120 in advance they have no right to be notified or updated when they might actually receive the product?? You really should rethink that!!

To be honest it's getting to the point where I'm thinking that I ought to request a refund because I could spend the money on something else that I can enjoy right now, not in 6 months time. I don't think that's an unreasonable regret on the part of the customer either!

Yeah, like me. Give us a heads up, Steve. What gives?
 
Mord.

NICE! One of my all time favorite bands. I was lucky enough to see them with Yes in 98 or 99. 
With that said. Give us some info! Are we close or is it gonna take longer? I was hoping to at least see the demo by now.
 
Mord.

This is Karl...

And that thing he's cuddling there is Karl's Panzerschreck which he affectionately calls "Bertha". He claims the camouflague on Bertha reduces the chances of enemy tanks spotting him by 75%!
Karl's ammo bearer has cause to dispute this claim as he's lying in a bush picking shrapnel from a tank shell out of his internal organs...

The rest of his platoon, save for a few stragglers and himself, have withdrawn to the woods to the rear.
But Karl didn't go with them despite being shot at by infantry, tanks and surviving two mortar strikes.
He's been hiding in these bushes and watching this one roll up the hill, but he has only 1 round left.

Karl's a good shot, I'm not sure if he's told you that already, he usually tells anyone who'll listen.

His second tank of this December morning.
Now on something of a roll and with no more rounds for Bertha, he pulls his pistol and spies a halftrack. He's not concerned that a squad of enemy infantry were seen running along that tree-line only a minute ago or that his pistol is somewhat inferior to his beloved Bertha in the anti-armour role.

Sure enough, his efforts to ruin the paint job on the halftrack draw the attention of the americans and Karl ist Kaputt..

The End.
 

This thread scares me, mostly because of the apparent inability of this forum's members to actually read the post linked in the op. That is the only reason I can imagine why we still hear the old crap of "StG44s were for elite units!" in this thread even though that was debunked in the first post, basically. So, once more for all those non-readers:
The StG44 was not a weapon made for "elite" units.
It was supposed to arm the standard infantry and while the Germans did not achieve this due to the war situation, they did issue it in large numbers towards the end of the war. In fact, if they issued it to divisions, they usually gave out a large enough number to equip at least 1 platoon in each company, 2 in Volksgrenadier Companies. According to the Sturmgewehr book by Handrich, a little bit less than half of the German infantry divisions were equipped as such by the war's end. (Going from memory here). The Bulge game actually represents this quite well, which is why I am surprised this thread even exist... obviously they will carry over the ToE from Final Blitzkrieg to the Eastern Front, I see no reason why not.
Regarding some other topics that came up in this thread:
The G41 was a horrible design and had a limited production run, but it was not as rare as people seem to think. If you look at divisional reports, up to and including the summer of 1944 it is the primary automatic rifle issued to German divisions. Only in the autumn of 1944 does the G43 become more common. However, in contrast to the StG44 these rifles were seen as a stopgap measure to increase infantry firepower and were not issued in bulk. Since they used the same round as the MG42 and K98k, this was possible without complicating logistics. Usually they were issued on a 1 or 2 per squad basis, in case of Panzergrenadiers officially as the weapon of the squad leader's assistant. As the StG44 became more common and infantry divisions formed Sturm platoons, they were supposed to be pooled together as a "poor man's assault rifle" to create makeshift assault platoons, in case StG44 deliveries were not possible.
Regarding the Tokarev SVT40: This is an excellent rifle, but it is massively overrepresented in Red Thunder. It is true that the Russian produced a lot of them, but most of that production was pre-war, as well as 1941 and 1942. After that, the production of this relatively expensive rifle was reduced in favor of the PPsh41 / Mosin Nagant combo. What this means is that this rifle was basically the weapon of the "first iteration" of the Soviet Army: The one that was all but destroyed in the battles of 1941 and 1942. Not saying there were none at all around by 1944, some certainly were, but it was no longer a standard, mass issued weapon. Instead of seeing the big numbers of this rifle in Red Thunder, I would prefer to have the historical infantry organisation where one platoon in a rifle company is equipped with SMGs and the other two using the traditional rifle squad structure, as was common late in the war. This would represent the situation on the ground better. The SVT40 could show up if you select "above average" equipment.