slysniper

Well played, a very good use of your units.
I am always amazed as to how well the game will use some real world tactics to achieve a good result.
Very sneaky of you as to using the 9m14 as a way to direct the enemy units where you want them.
 
I have dismounted tank crews before to get spots but have not thought about the chain of command as well and how that can get all  my units the info.
Also have baited the enemy to expose their flank to me but normally with a bmp or something along that lines, I like the concept of using the missile. Likely its the only thing they will ever do but it can add to a possible good outcome.
 
If you play h2h, people better watch out, sounds like you have your act together.
 
 
 
 

Well played, a very good use of your units.
I am always amazed as to how well the game will use some real world tactics to achieve a good result.
Very sneaky of you as to using the 9m14 as a way to direct the enemy units where you want them.
 
I have dismounted tank crews before to get spots but have not thought about the chain of command as well and how that can get all  my units the info.
Also have baited the enemy to expose their flank to me but normally with a bmp or something along that lines, I like the concept of using the missile. Likely its the only thing they will ever do but it can add to a possible good outcome.
 
If you play h2h, people better watch out, sounds like you have your act together.
 
 
 
 

I bailed my Coy HQ tank and used the crew to observe enemy movement (harder to spot a man that lies in prone position, than it is to spot a T62 turret). I parked one of the Plt HQ tanks near my company commander, who then shared his spots with platoon commander. The information got passed through the platoon network. Next step was choosing hull down positions. With contacts already passed through platoon network, the job was already half done. Having my tanks unbuttoned/opened up and with previous knowledge of enemy positions and movements, has made my tanks spot M1's almost instantly. I was lucky to catch one platoon on the move. Movement reduced their spotting ability, which I fully used to my advantage. The second platoon of M1's was destroyed by combining efforts of my Company commander observing, 9M14 Malyutka's blinding the M1's and T62's finishing the jobs with flanking shots.

Here's a lucky shot. I was just playing the U.S. Army, trying to be extra careful, advancing very slowly and cautiously, using dead ground to move troops forward and hull down positions for every vehicle and then everything went horribly wrong.
I parked an M1 tank in a hull down position along the side of a road when a Kornet opened fire on it. Here's the view from the ATGM position at maximum zoom:

 
The missile missed the tank, flying right over the top of it. It continued to fly for another 40 meters through the woods behind it until it just so happened to slam into a tree RIGHT in the middle of an infantry squad moving through the woods.


 
The infantry were in dead ground behind that road embankment and were not even visible from the ATGM position, and I thought they would be safe moving through the woods. The missile miraculously flew past several other trees just so it could hit the one right in the center of the squad. One man was killed, another incapacitated, and every other member of the squad was wounded except for two.

The next turn I tried to pull the tank back and hide it behind some trees, but part of its turret was still visible and it was knocked out from the front by a second missile. I guess you really don't wanna mess around with those Kornets. 

Agree with you totally on this, I have really seen nothing that has shown me that placing a cover arc to try and get better spotting on a area works.
But I keep trying when I get units that are blind to units i need to spot.

What would you prefer, Released updates that work as thy should or released updates that have errors and no effort to test, correct and fix before giving them to you.
I prefer the first personally and you can rest assured that they are working on and preparing to give you the first option. That is how they do business, they never rush stuff out, they seem to always try and give a release that they feel good about. and believe to be working cleanly.
But making comments here about where is it will not make it happen any quicker, just saying

I be pretty concerned if they had been working on the patch all that time, over 2 years and you really think they been working on it all that time.
They been working on things and you know what they are, They gave us CMSF2, with said patch (Why , because that is where they decided to put their focus, why. Because another group of people have been asking for that for many years now also. ) Someone wins, someone loses. 
So if you play that, you see what will be coming when they get it finished. 
Steve said, the updating of the campaigns for CMSF2 and the patches were their next priority. 
So I would suspect the next thing we see will likely be them. (Just a little longer folks)

Nor should we think that this game would ever really be attractive to the average gamer. because it will not.
If nothing else can prove that, just look at war gaming throughout its history. It shows that it has a appeal to only a certain part of society.
 
I think the likeliest exception to that would be the close combat series. it would be interesting to see the numbers on it as to sells.
 
But for sure, BF is not having to cater to the general public. Most of its market does and would appreciate any period they sell to. But there still has to be a difference in sells or they would not care at all.

Nor should we think that this game would ever really be attractive to the average gamer. because it will not.
If nothing else can prove that, just look at war gaming throughout its history. It shows that it has a appeal to only a certain part of society.
 
I think the likeliest exception to that would be the close combat series. it would be interesting to see the numbers on it as to sells.
 
But for sure, BF is not having to cater to the general public. Most of its market does and would appreciate any period they sell to. But there still has to be a difference in sells or they would not care at all.

Nor should we think that this game would ever really be attractive to the average gamer. because it will not.
If nothing else can prove that, just look at war gaming throughout its history. It shows that it has a appeal to only a certain part of society.
 
I think the likeliest exception to that would be the close combat series. it would be interesting to see the numbers on it as to sells.
 
But for sure, BF is not having to cater to the general public. Most of its market does and would appreciate any period they sell to. But there still has to be a difference in sells or they would not care at all.

I rode around in one of them in the mid 80"s for a summer.
I recall no extra seats, and if there was room it was filled with gear.
back then, there was 13 men squads, you might have part of the weapons platoon assigned to you , so that was either a MG team of mortar squad generally.  the track crew I recall was 3 back then, so at least one of those guys was in the back with us.
Also they were notorious for brake-downs and mech. problems. So it was not uncommon to have to add in additional guys from another track that would have to be left behind.
 
But compared to every thing else out there, they are like a hotel with first class options as to space we had.
Not bad other than slower than all heck and so large that a no one has a excuse for not hitting them with whatever they are firing at them at max. range. 
 
Needless to say, never wanted to ride in one if it was going into a real battle zone.

Well, I am sad to see that this latest scenario did not get any more interest than it did.

Out of your releases, this is by far the best one I enjoyed while playing through it.

It presented the most challenges and interesting decisions one needs to have to make.


 

 
Recap below “Spoiler”


 

 

 
That latest scenario is much harder than my score reflects.

I had made the decision from the set up I was not going to follow his instructions to not bomb the buildings

I was looking at the map and with the forces I had, said to myself, no way, those buildings are the only thing that has a view to the ravine and open area I need to cross with my troops so they have to go.

I had made the decision to go up the left flank and the buildings were the only defensive terrain that had a good view. Remove them and I have a chance.

So I set the planes to bomb the two large buildings on the left with preorders before the battle and then was hoping to take out the ones on the right also if I had bombs left.

Needless to say the second the planes showed up I had the forest on the left side erupt in anti-aircraft fire. I thought there had to be at least 4 AA guns over there, only saw one with a hard spot on it so I was not sure what was in there, but I saw 3 firing at once for sure.

So one turn of air and I cancelled the bombing run, the result was the first two bombs missed and the 3rd hit, thus the one lost structure seen in the image. One bomb was left to use later.

Needless to say, my mortars and one remaining bomb on the plane were used to clear the woods of all the guns I exposed on the left flank. While the woods received that attention, I ordered the infantry to infiltrate up to the walls on my side of the ravine but had them stay hidden til I dropped the one remaining heavy bomb on the woods, then I started my attack immediately after the bomb drop, exposed my infantry and then started assaulting on the left flank.

One Machine Gun was firing back from those buildings up on the ridge at that point.

Just after starting this action there was a welcome surprise of armor appearing, I had the Stewart go into action immediately to solve my problem with infantry fire from those overlooking buildings on the ridge. Now that kept the machine gun fire from there quiet, I only used light fire against it so as to not damage any more structures per the requested orders given.

The enemy also receives armor support about at this time. So the 76er’s become the tool to take care of that.

So as long as you get the jump on the enemy armor this is not a problem. If you lose this duel, this battle can become much uglier very quick I would suspect.

So I pushed the left flank and became aware of how well my arty and bomb run did on that area, finding I had removed more than I knew even existed in those woods.

The enemy was not done trying to hold on to this location and another little group of reinforcements arrived.

After handling them. I sent the Stewart up the left flank to where I had my infantry, with the Stewart leading the way and the infantry in support I crossed behind the vines to the structures on the ridge right flank and did my final mop up operations.


 

 
After thoughts:

If I had not exposed the enemy location from the very early start of the battle, this would have been a much harder challenge. There is a large likelihood if the woods are not pre-bombed before any assault, friendly losses are going to add up from what is there in defenses.

I should have thought about hitting the left flank woods from what we are told in his briefing, but I didn’t.

So in truth, I was lucky in this engagement in that I made a terrible decision, had my air power exposed to the full effects of the enemies defenses and instead of suffering from poor decisions, turned it into my advantages.

So it never hurts to be a little lucky.


 

Well, stop wasting time and get to writing. The topic is good, and it appears you have the way of words.
So I expect to be one of the first to buy  this book when completed.

It's impossible to have a genuine exchange about military issues beyond base technical aspects of equipment without getting into politics. Politics are a natural and vital part of any such discussion if it has any depth or merit at all. That's why you haven't seen me join in such discussions and especially not on current events. It's difficult not to jump in sometimes, but I'm willing to keep my mouth shut in CM's house for the good of the game.
However, I think that one day, historians looking back on our time period may well use a title like Castles Made of Sand.
"And they built great castles and poured praise upon themselves for achieving such works as their ancestors in their ignorance could not.
But the works of the new man were made of sand and fell, for the builders had forgotten what true stone and wood look like."

Lets get one thing real.
Germany has a population of 82,000,000 people.
Its one of the top 15 countries in the world. Its not some little 3rd world country.
It should have a standing army not just for a fact that Russia exist. There is many other conflict areas in the world.
As long as the world Leaders will treat each other nice only if someone else can bring death and sorrow to them and their country. 
Germany by all intent should burden its fair share of that responsibility. 
If they don't want to supply an armed force to do that. (they are more than welcome to pay other countries that are enough to amount to their fair share.
How about that for a outlook.
 

Lets get one thing real.
Germany has a population of 82,000,000 people.
Its one of the top 15 countries in the world. Its not some little 3rd world country.
It should have a standing army not just for a fact that Russia exist. There is many other conflict areas in the world.
As long as the world Leaders will treat each other nice only if someone else can bring death and sorrow to them and their country. 
Germany by all intent should burden its fair share of that responsibility. 
If they don't want to supply an armed force to do that. (they are more than welcome to pay other countries that are enough to amount to their fair share.
How about that for a outlook.
 

Lets get one thing real.
Germany has a population of 82,000,000 people.
Its one of the top 15 countries in the world. Its not some little 3rd world country.
It should have a standing army not just for a fact that Russia exist. There is many other conflict areas in the world.
As long as the world Leaders will treat each other nice only if someone else can bring death and sorrow to them and their country. 
Germany by all intent should burden its fair share of that responsibility. 
If they don't want to supply an armed force to do that. (they are more than welcome to pay other countries that are enough to amount to their fair share.
How about that for a outlook.
 

Lets get one thing real.
Germany has a population of 82,000,000 people.
Its one of the top 15 countries in the world. Its not some little 3rd world country.
It should have a standing army not just for a fact that Russia exist. There is many other conflict areas in the world.
As long as the world Leaders will treat each other nice only if someone else can bring death and sorrow to them and their country. 
Germany by all intent should burden its fair share of that responsibility. 
If they don't want to supply an armed force to do that. (they are more than welcome to pay other countries that are enough to amount to their fair share.
How about that for a outlook.
 

Lets get one thing real.
Germany has a population of 82,000,000 people.
Its one of the top 15 countries in the world. Its not some little 3rd world country.
It should have a standing army not just for a fact that Russia exist. There is many other conflict areas in the world.
As long as the world Leaders will treat each other nice only if someone else can bring death and sorrow to them and their country. 
Germany by all intent should burden its fair share of that responsibility. 
If they don't want to supply an armed force to do that. (they are more than welcome to pay other countries that are enough to amount to their fair share.
How about that for a outlook.
 

The one point mentioned that I would be interested in, is how the German people do feel about their men and woman in uniform.
Like everything in life, there is going to be those that do look and treat them with distain.
But I wonder what percentage of their people support and treat their troops with the respect that is deserved.
 
At least that is one thing here in the United States that has been good for awhile now. The average citizen at least realizes these people are what helps to make their country what it is and it allows them the freedoms they have.

This battle makes up for the first two where I had no breaks, when we can talk about this one I can tell the tale of how I made bad choices that lead to great results.

WJA, all your points are on the mark.
and some here have pointed out a few of them can be somewhat resolved with features presently in the game.
Other items are likely not going to be resolved,  but it does not hurt to point them out. The sad thing is I am sure the designers also know about these short comings along withy some others not mentioned.
We as players can get very critical as to the game needing to represent things correctly as to how it is in real life. I am sure I have done it myself more than a few times over the years. But the truth is, it is a game and it is a computer program with all sorts of compromises in the programming that has been made but to us the user it seems to reflect reality pretty good.
I am just amazed that it does as well as it does. The things we complain about the game is pretty limited compared to all the things the game is trying to portray.
These guys really do try to get it right and we as the consumer needs to be reminded that they have made a huge effort to do just that.
So keep that in mind before you make comments that sound like the effort has not been put into trying to get it to do things as correct as possible.
We the consumer needs to realize there is going to be short comings, just is how it is. So when asking about possible improvements, keeping our tone in a positive manor is important. Because there is limits to what they can do.
Nothing wrong in making suggestions, but acting upset because they are there is not a mature way of seeing it.
 
 

I met one fellow way back when I was in college. he was in Vietnam (infantry) and had been caught in a ambush and they did just that. Turned into it and assaulted.
Of course, his memory of it was very limited. They were on a roadway when they were hit. he managed to take a few steps before a explosion blew him back and dropped him on the ground, when he managed to get his wits about him again, he crawled away from the enemy to the far side of the road and found the only cover available, a tree trunk, so he positioned himself behind that and hide. The problem was, it was not really any cover. So he next was shot in his butt. That was all he had to the story.
His unit did manage to assault enough that the ambush ceased and withdrew. He said the unit lost a lot of men that day, some were his friends and he felt terrible about his own actions. but that was about the only combat experience he had while there.
the few other events he was in, all he knew was where the fire was coming from, never really could see anyone, just muzzle flashes, and him firing back into the location. And no one moving , just firing til the units disengaged from each other.
 

I met one fellow way back when I was in college. he was in Vietnam (infantry) and had been caught in a ambush and they did just that. Turned into it and assaulted.
Of course, his memory of it was very limited. They were on a roadway when they were hit. he managed to take a few steps before a explosion blew him back and dropped him on the ground, when he managed to get his wits about him again, he crawled away from the enemy to the far side of the road and found the only cover available, a tree trunk, so he positioned himself behind that and hide. The problem was, it was not really any cover. So he next was shot in his butt. That was all he had to the story.
His unit did manage to assault enough that the ambush ceased and withdrew. He said the unit lost a lot of men that day, some were his friends and he felt terrible about his own actions. but that was about the only combat experience he had while there.
the few other events he was in, all he knew was where the fire was coming from, never really could see anyone, just muzzle flashes, and him firing back into the location. And no one moving , just firing til the units disengaged from each other.
 

I met one fellow way back when I was in college. he was in Vietnam (infantry) and had been caught in a ambush and they did just that. Turned into it and assaulted.
Of course, his memory of it was very limited. They were on a roadway when they were hit. he managed to take a few steps before a explosion blew him back and dropped him on the ground, when he managed to get his wits about him again, he crawled away from the enemy to the far side of the road and found the only cover available, a tree trunk, so he positioned himself behind that and hide. The problem was, it was not really any cover. So he next was shot in his butt. That was all he had to the story.
His unit did manage to assault enough that the ambush ceased and withdrew. He said the unit lost a lot of men that day, some were his friends and he felt terrible about his own actions. but that was about the only combat experience he had while there.
the few other events he was in, all he knew was where the fire was coming from, never really could see anyone, just muzzle flashes, and him firing back into the location. And no one moving , just firing til the units disengaged from each other.