Pešadija Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Someone offer JonS the budget to this screenplay. I wan't to see the effectiveness of Poe's law. They do the film in all seriousness, and we see how many Americans spot the subtext. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noltyboy Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 The british counter attack arras (?) in 40 led to the utter arse kincking of one the SS divisions didnt it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umlaut Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 The German war machine was highly successful due to superior strategy and tactics, while the French army was mired in inflexible tradition. As I understand it that is something that's hard to model in, at least on the CM scale, so the player on German side would often have a hard time achieving the expected result. Easy to fix: Just let the french side be controlled by the CM1 AI ;-) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLaurier Posted March 2, 2011 Author Share Posted March 2, 2011 Sounds 'do-able'. I recommend the script writers and crew behind the film U571 be involved in the making of this all time war classic. Don't forget casting David Lee Roth in the lead role! Regards KR Oh yea gods, no. Jack Black is the lead. A Polish writer and decorated veteran of the 1920s war against Russia. Has lived with his mother ever since his wife and son died in a car accident in the early '30s. Called up in July of '39 because his old platoon commander (now a regimental colonel) wants him for his ability to inspire troops. He makes sargent, and gets assigned to lead a squad of misfits and rejects. Main figures of his squad: The ethnic german who looks so german it hurts... but he's deeply polish. The angry gypsy with a personal grudge against germans. The Krakow rabinical student who thinks he's better than the "gentiles". The minor Warsaw gangmember who enlisted to avoid prison. The weezy shopclerk who failed the health tests, and bribed the doctor to let him enlist anyway. The illiterate peasant farmer who is still smarter than the average provost. The pathetic drunk who can sniff out a bottle anywhere. The nobleman's son trying to pass as a commoner. And 2 or 3 others.... They do a training session, then get thrown in to stop a breakthrough. Classic fighting retreat to Warsaw... Gripping portrayal of a city under siege... The evacuation of the heros by air... fade to black. Monologue about the poles continuing to fight under every flag of every allied nation... and then being abandoned to Russian occupation. Final scene. 1959. The last survivor of the squad is reunited with his family at the brandenberg gate. Then they all go live in Seattle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 I'll be the first to admit to not being an early war grog, but I don't imagine there were many tactical instances of French, Dutch, Belgian, or Polish units not getting steamrollered by the Germans. Then you might well be mistaken. There were many instances of those forces (except maybe the Dutch; I haven't read anything yet that claims they put up any especially stout defenses) putting up a pretty good fight. After Poland, for instance, the Germans re-evaluated some of their operational techniques as well as force structures, feeling that the army hadn't performed as well as it should have at times. And it was the Belgian army that was the main defender of the Dunkerque bridgehead at the end. Some French divisions gave a good account of themselves. On a tactical level, which is after all what CM is concerned with, the two sides were sometimes pretty evenly matched, all in all. It was mostly at the operational level that the Germans had it all over their enemies, especially when it came to responding to developing situations. The Allied command structures were sluggish, so Allied forces were often not in the right place in the right strength at the right time, so there wasn't much to stop the Germans. But when they were, they could often give the Germans a bloody nose. Except of course when they couldn't. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vark Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 JonS, some minor revisions a) There must be a vampire in the squad with a grudge against the Germans, perhaps his ancestral home was bombed and he lost the love of his life There must be an ethnic participant, you pick the race, but I suggest a martial arts eastern monk, full of wise sayings for the start/climax of every encounter or a sassy Hispanic, who has invented a novel way of singing (i.e rap). Why they are in Poland could be the spin off TV series! c) The story should allude to modern politics, especially the 'dangerous adventurism' of recent years and indirect references to OIF must litter the script. So yes Jack Black to lead and perhaps Matt DAHHHMOOOHN to star along with Ben Aflek. d) Following on from c) there must be several "we are no better than them, in the end speeches. e) I suugest the Commonwealth presence is represented by a grotesque stereotype, drinking tea at inappropriate moments, bad teeth (the US teeth are so bright they use the glow to help them see in the sewers of Warsaw) and kitted out with an array of Heath Robinsonesque contraptions (which normally backfire until the vital last encounter). f) The enviromental cost of war must be mentioned with nods to the future about Global warming and reducing carbon footprints. What would the other two films be about? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackcat Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 "... they could often give the Germans a bloody nose. Except of course when they couldn't" A masterly summary, Mr. Emrys. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 What would the other two films be about? After they are run out of Poland, they are brought to Washington where they are given a high level briefing on the Manhattan Project (that it was not set into motion historically until quite some time later is irrelevant; who's going to know?), then they are told they have been formed into a special unit that is to be parachuted into Germany with the task of hunting down and assassinating all the German scientists working on their bomb. After the paradrop, Matt Damon becomes separated from the rest of the unit and tries to carry on his part of the mission alone. He is aided in this by a breathtakingly beautiful German girl is in the anti-Hitler underground and who becomes his lover. As they are closing in on their target, Werner Heisenberg, they are discovered by the Gestapo, and in the ensuing shootout, the girl takes one for the team and dies in his arms. But it's okay because she has an even more beautiful sister who is willing to step in and fill the gap. In the last shot we see Damon drawing a bead on Heisenberg and the screen goes black. This sets up the audience to go see the next film in the series, in which Damon's gun misfires but Heisenberg explains that he has been secretly sabotaging the bomb project all along, and in fact that very day he is having a meeting with Nazi bigwigs to explain to them why a bomb is impractical and the project should be abandoned. Damon, who by this time has lost twenty pounds due to excess sexual activity, exfiltrates back to London in time to take part in Operation Torch, where he is reunited with the rest of his gang and they go on to win the war and get very, very drunk. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 A masterly summary, Mr. Emrys. It's always rewarding to have an appreciative audience. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chainsaw Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 what happens with the sexy blond sister? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Balboa Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 what happens with the sexy blond sister? Emrys? You starting a new job as a trashy romance novelist? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merkin Muffley Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 And it was the Belgian army that was the main defender of the Dunkerque bridgehead at the end. I'm not having a pop at the Belgians or the thrust of your point, but the Belgians surrendered on 28th May which was some few days before the evacuation at Dunkirk was complete. The French and British were there in much greater numbers, so I'm not entirely persuaded that the Belgians featured so pivotally at Dunkirk as you suggest. That's obviously not to say that there weren't heroic defences at other locations. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Good post, except for: And it was the Belgian army that was the main defender of the Dunkerque bridgehead at the end. Are you sure about that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLaurier Posted March 2, 2011 Author Share Posted March 2, 2011 Ok. I'm just gonna crawl under this big rock, and wait for the staff to round up the psych patients. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Just a fantasy, but wouldn't be amazing to have a game series that could enable us to play any era between 1940 and 1945 with just about every nationality and the hundreds of varieties of infantry and vehicles from those dates? I know it's not ever going to happen. Oh, wait a minute... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pešadija Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Seriously, why is anyone doing anything but pitching ideas to enhance JonS' script? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Bijlsma Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Because you can't improve on text that has the word anabasis in it except my shouting "Thalatta! Thalatta!" towards the end. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pešadija Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Thalassa would be more appropriate. Majority of spartans, double tau is attic... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 "Final scene. 1959. The last survivor of the squad is reunited with his family at the brandenberg gate. Then they all go live in Seattle." Why such a depressing downer ending? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarRat Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 If BF is going to do something NEW in WW II...I would certainly hope it is the Pacific Front. I want Marines storming the beaches! Plus I think BFs simulation of 16"artillery would be worth the price of the game all on its own. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 ...the Belgians surrendered on 28th May which was some few days before the evacuation at Dunkirk was complete. Officially, yes. However, the Belgian forces in the bridgehead continued fighting beside their allies. The French and British were there in much greater numbers, so I'm not entirely persuaded that the Belgians featured so pivotally at Dunkirk as you suggest. At the end, after most of the British and French had gotten away, it was mostly Belgians remaining. When it was clear that nothing more was to be gained by continued resistance, they surrendered. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayak47 Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Didn't Theatre of War start out with France '40? They were able to market that! I think all those early tanks would make a great game, especially when tactics overcame inferiority in numbers and quality. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLaurier Posted March 2, 2011 Author Share Posted March 2, 2011 "Final scene. 1959. The last survivor of the squad is reunited with his family at the brandenberg gate. Then they all go live in Seattle." Why such a depressing downer ending? Ok, They go live in Calgary. Is that better? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Wenman Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Plus I think BFs simulation of 16"artillery would be worth the price of the game all on its own. Well you're going to get 14" in CM:BN - is that good enough ;-) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Field Marshal Blücher Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Didn't Theatre of War start out with France '40? They were able to market that! I think all those early tanks would make a great game, especially when tactics overcame inferiority in numbers and quality. Yes, but ToW covered the entire period of 1939-1945. If they just covered Poland '39-France '40 and were able to sell as well as they did, I'd be impressed. I don't think too many people bought ToW just to play France '40. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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