PATCH AND BUG Discussion

[Michael Dorosh]

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[Mark Gallear]

Originally posted by Mr. Tittles:

A squad costs 40 points. A BAR team, 8 points.

Its ahistorical and technical issue really. Not a points issue.

The BAR is not a slow weapon.

I would love to see a foot race between a BAR team, BREN team and MG42 team (Given the other associated parts).

The BAR bipod was usually carried by the BAR assistant. The BAR does not have a spare barrel. The ammo is all either in the mags or pockets. No one is carrying luggage and bags, etc. The BAR 'team' have weapons in thier hands.

The assistant would have his own weapon and use it more than a MG42 or even a BREN assistant would.

To have a BAR that can not assault or advance is not in the spirit of the weapon.

To me, people should be able to buy MP44 teams or grenade launcher riflemen if they purchase BARs.

A lot of this is ture don't see why you cannot assault with all three - although I have never actually used the command.

Not sure grenade throwing is done all that well some times my team thows them like mad with seemingly infinite grenades, other times I park a squad in range of an open halftrack and they just sit there, smiling at it .

Didn't want to start a fight but I'm not sure the BAR is John Browning's greatest creation.

The Bren is still used by the British Army and I suspect its just as light as a BAR and the assistant is really there just to carry the ammo and spare parts. The British Army was much more interested in its accuracy at longe ranges than its ability to assault, although it was used in WW2 in that way.

Revised versions of the MG42 are still in service and the M60 and GPMG are heavily influenced by it. The MG42 firepower is much more downplayed in the two man team than the BARs ability to assault. With a drum magazine its almost as mobile and fireable by one man.

[Mr. Tittles]

I agree that IF these weapons are separately available, then assaulting/advancing should be options.

Likewise, depending on what they represent, the speed should not be medium if the squad based weapon can be fast. Also, tiring should reflect the weight of the weapons/equipment.

The fact that they have no grenades/AT weapons/etc, should be offset with more ammo. In the case of BAR, they have the same ammo as a squad.

Perhaps I am splitting hairs but I do not think a MG42 team, with its associated hardware can compare its mobility to a BAR team. The MG42 gunner has a 23-24 pound load if hes carrying weapon with a belt of 50 rounds. The BAR (without bipod) is around 17-18 pounds. The MG42 is 40 percent heavier. The assistant MG42 has at least a box of belted ammo in his hands (250 rounds) and a rifle on his back along with a spare barrel. The BAR assistant has no barrel or boxes but a vest with magazines in it. He carries the bipod for the weapon on his pack. He carries his personal weapon (more than likely a M1 Carbine) in his hands and can use it while moving.

The BAR without bipod can be easily fired like a rifle from the shoulder. The MG42, with its nose heavy design would be best fired from the hip.

I believe the BREN assistant main concern was swapping magazines for the firer AND reloading them. He wasn't just a mule but part of the crew served weapon. The BAR is more of a personal weapon. The BREN assistant usually carried a bolt action rifle and the spare barrel and mags, etc. His advancing firing contribution would be hampered just like the MG42.

Can these LMGs jam? Do squad based weapons jam?

[ December 24, 2003, 10:13 AM: Message edited by: Mr. Tittles ]

[CombinedArms]

Canadians talking like Texans.

BFC has apparently decided to save space by giving Canadians the same sound files as Americans. This would seem like a very reasonable decision except that the Americans talk sort of like Texans (or something!--sort of south-western anyway ). No Canadians I know talk like that. They sound like US folks from the Mid-Atlantic or Mid-west with an occasional "oot" or "aboot." Just thought I'd mention it.

[ December 24, 2003, 10:09 AM: Message edited by: CombinedArms ]

[Mr. Tittles]

I dont want the thread to become another BAR?BREN?LMG? quagmire. My thoughts are that BARs should be increased at the squad level. So if the game had a mechanism where a purchaser could spend extra to have a squad get anothet BAR, I would be happier. The player could split the squad and have a nice firepower enhancer.

I would like to suggest that the 'screen-directional-bounce' (where the mouse hits the side of the screen and the view is either slewed or rotated), be tweaked. Could there be a dead-zone between the slew/rotation parts of the screen? I find it so annoying the way it is now. I would prefer a 1/3 top slew, 1/3 middle dead-zone, and 1/3 bottom rotation. This has been bugging me since I bought CMBB.

[Mad Russian]

While looking at the French Army for some scenario work I find that over half their support equipment is British. Why would the French have Bren and Vickers MG's? :confused: An oversight perhaps? :confused: Maybe this is accurate and I just don't know it. Otherwise I would like to see the French equipment.

Panther Commander

[Michael Dorosh]

Originally posted by Panther Commander:

While looking at the French Army for some scenario work I find that over half their support equipment is British. Why would the French have Bren and Vickers MG's?

Because the British equipped them. This is not an error. French ammunition factories were located in German-occupied France. The British and Americans did not use French ammunition, so if you want the French to fight with you, you must give them weapons that you can provide ammunition for.

[AntEater]

I want captured 2-pdr Portees and Bren Carriers for the DAK.

Kradschützenbattalion 15 (later II./PzGren Reg 104) had a Battery of them until El Alamein.

Generally more captured stuff for both sides

[Redwolf]

[ACTUAL BUG]

Some of the arly war spotters say "radio" in their description line but don't actually have a radio engine-wise.

[/ACTUAL BUG]

Rant:

I suggest you guys kep this thread clean by not arguing about soemthing BFC sayd they wouldn't change a thousand times. Thanks.

[Mark Gallear]

As it’s Christmas and I want CMAK fixing, so I thought I would do some research on introductory dates and type rarity

(Not sure how the system works to attempt to calculate rarity in CM terms.)

On Sherman types at El Alamein - second battle

Sherman A History of the Medium Tank R.P. Hunnicutt on the battle of El Alamein

318 Shermans arrived in September most were M4A1 (Sherman II) but some were M4A2s (Sherman III).

They were modified by the addition of sand shields and stowage items necessary for desert use. 252 Shermans were ready on the eve of the battle on October 23 also had 170 Grants, 294 Crusaders, 119 Stuarts and 194 Valentines.

On Churchill Tanks

Six Churchill III October 1942

Then Feb 1943 with Churchill 1s as CS tanks.

http://www.armourinfocus.co.uk/a22/index.htm

This link has an article by Shilto, which gives graphs of tanks in use per month by type in Italian campaign for 8th Army Tank. Obviously, other units operated in the theatre but gives interesting insight.

This site has orgainization and types for the North Irish Horse Regiment.

http://www.geocities.com/vqpvqp/nih/Articles/1-7c.html

Other articles are worth looking at as well.

Churchill III and IV go all the way through with all units and are commonest type of Churchill.

Churchill I used as CS tank right the way through by two units.

Churchill V 95mm from Dec 1944 to May 1945 with 48 RTR and also NIH both part of 21 ATB.

This would be used as a CS tank organized in twos.

Churchill VII same unit and dates as above.

Churchill NA75 goes right the way through with a number of units.

Churchill VII Crocodile in 12 RTR in 21 ATB for April 1945.

The Sherman used seem to be all Sherman I or II. Not as common as Churchill tank in this division.

(Sherman 1s in British service are normally used for specialist versions such as Firefly rather than as a straight 75mm Tank.)

The Infantry Battalion

British Battalions, at the start of the War had no integral anti-tank platoons, they had a mobile "poaching" doctrine which the 2pdr did not fit into.

Units were officially ordered to form them at the end of 1940 when the Brigade Anti-Tank companies were disbanded and absorbed into Divisional Anti-Tank Regiments. However it was not until 1941 British & Australian units formed integral Anti-Tank units with 1-2pdr Portéé Stand.

From August 1942 (after the 1st Battle of El Alamein) some Commonwealth Battalions adopted unofficial TO&Es of 2-2pdr Portéé Stands per battalion (8-10 actual weapons) - This was done in North Africa by Some Australian and South African Battalions (about 1 in 2), and by all New Zealand Battalions.

By Mid-1942 New Zealand, South African, and Indian units had also formed these, again with 1-2pdr Portéé Stand. The 2pdr Portéé was used exclusively at this time throughout the British & Commonwealth Armies in all theatres.

Some South African Battalions from 2nd El Alamein also used obsolete 18pdr Field Guns (which had been discarded by the Divisional Anti-Tank Regiments) or very occassionally captured German 50mm PaK38 Anti-Tank Guns.

From mid-1943 on all British & Commonwealth Infantry Battalions are re-equipped with 1-6pdr Anti-Tank Gun/Quad (the towing vehicle was officially a variant of the same Quad as towed the 25pdr). Other types of tractors and some may have still used 6pdr Portéés as had been used in North Africa by Divisional Anti-Tank Regiments.

This remained the norm until the end of the war, except that from 1944 on Lloyd and Universal carriers increasingly replaced the Quad/Truck as the towing vehicle.

Finally, in Italy from about February 1945 Integral Anti-Tank Platoons were disbanded, as they were of little use and there was a shortage of Riflemen - this was done in most British and Commonwealth units in that theatre.

On AT rifles the evidence is contradictory - most show them in the Support Platoons which in Combat would be attacjhed to individual platoons, although found one theoritical TOW that has them with each Platoon and in the Battalion support Platoons.

I would go for a maximum of 2 per Company HQ rather than have them at platoon level.

An official “theoretical” Battalion Organization with 4 companies for June 1941 shows AT rifles :

Signals platoon 1 AT rifle

Anti-Aircraft Platoon 1 AT rifle

Mortar platoon 3 AT rifles

Carrier Platoon 4 AT rifles

Admin Platoon 1 AT rifle

If the Carrier Platoon keeps its AT Rifles, and the rest are dished out then 6 AT rifles for four Companies.

1 or 2 AT Rifle attached to each Company HQ.

A Battalion Organization for March 1942 for an actual Desert Battalion after the 2pdr is in the AT Platoons, shows an AT rifle attached to each Company HQ.

A theoretical organization for September 1942 shows AT rifles in the Company Support Platoons very much as above and 1 per Platoon!

Introductory Dates For North Africa

Do mot see why the North african theatre should not begin in June 1940 when 7th Armoured Division was sent to the Cyrenaican frontier and fighting with the Italian army began.

trops at this stage 11th Hussars with Morris and modified Roll Royce ACs.

7th Hussars Crusier A-9 Cruiser tanks and Mark VI and VIB light tanks.

In September - 2nd and 7th RTR arrive with A9 and A10 cruisers and inDecember A13s.

December 1940

Armoured car troops comprised one Morris CS9/LAC AC which had a radio and was the official AC of the time and two Rolls Royce which had been modified in theatre.

The only photo I have ever seen of this is on this site

http://www.btinternet.com/~ian.a.paterson/equiparmourarmouredcars.htm

Turret was removed and an open top armoured box round it - crew increased to 4 armament Boys and Bren.

If not how about RAF Fordson version - with hole in turret on left side for Boys AT gun plus Lewis AA gun. (At least it would be historical!) Have pictures if needed.

10 RAF Rolly-Royce AC fought with the 11th Hussar from Oct 1941 (1940?)for "a few weeks" as troop D.

37mm Bofors AT gun available at start in North Africa - as "Bofors 2pdr", most common AT gun until at least February.

They can be carried Portee fashion - any chance of such a new vehicle. I suspect with British doctine that it only had AP rounds.

Bofors AA guns in short supply make very rare - big problem as Italian airforce was large and powerful in early war period.

The game uses the Daimler Scout car to represent almost al the scout cars in the desert. The fist scouts cars were just light trucks with carrying capacity similiar to the latter jeeps, some evidence that some trucks were armoured with the Marmon-Harrington 1 AC kit. These in turn were replaced by Humber LRC and Morris LRC scout cars. First date in use in the desert I can find for Daimler scout is February 1943, even though they were used in France and is the official scout car in the Armys lists.

March 1941

Marmon-Harrington more common than rarity of 65%

Rolls Royce AC disappear immediately

RAF Fordson version last maybe 1 or 2 months more then replaced by Morris LRC (Missing from lists.)

Noticed that the Marmon-Harrington with captured Italian guns can be organized into 3 car troops, this would never have happened. One squadron managed to have a squadron with each troop's command vehicle in one of these altered vehicles. Make them much rarer than standard vehicle.

April 1941 300 new tanks and 50 Hurricane fighters arrive in the theatre as Churchill's Tiger cubs (135 Matildas, 82 cruisers (including 50 Crusier VI Crusader) and 21 light tanks).

June 1941

Crusader I and CS used for first time in Battle Axe game has them appear in July.

July 1941

Stuart I appear at this time and replace Vickers light tanks. (Although the missing Vickers AA tanks soldier on.)

Valentines not available until November.

November 1941

Game has Stuart I and II appearing but should be earlier than this. May be that some Stuart III appeared at this time?

Valentine tanks first action with the 8th Royal Tank Regiment of the 1st Army Tank Brigade at Capuzzo on Nov 22, 1941.

Have Valentine I and II appear at this time.

Suspect they are all Valentines I and IIs. Valentine II with AEC diesel most common type.

(I would have liked to seen more diffrences between the types as normally lumped together in most Wargame rules. Valentines I petrol engine has got be a more of a firehazard when knocked out than the later diesel versions but this is not modelled.)

Valentine IV with slightly more powerful diesel engine probably appears sometime later.

(Valentine I, Mk III: AEC gasoline 6 cylinder 135 hp. 2 pdr and coaxial Besa MG.

Valentine II, Mk III (Slight differences with I and AEC diesel)

Valentine III: turret modified to add loader

Valentine IV, MKIII, Valentine IV: As Mk II but with GMC diesel 138 hp

Valentine V: As Mk III but with GMC diesel 138 hp.)

Bofors 2pdr now long gone from service in RA – although seen a photo of one on the back of LRDG truck from this period.

Crusader II and IICS appear. This is correct.

Feb 1942

Valentine V and III appears

Do not know about the Valentine III – not found a conclusive start date but is about right.

The V version has the diesel engine – older Valentines already have diesel engines so could appear together? V version will be the most common type. Does IV appear here as well?

6pdr should appear here. 1 RHA was equipped with them. Should become increasingly common as time goes by. 6pdr was also carried portee, which is missing.

According to Featherstone, the first 300 6pdr guns were delivered in December 1941. So, you could go even earlier.

March 1942

The Grant appears and 8th Army has 167 and took part in some recces at end of month.

A good place for Morris C9/B AA to appear call it the “SP Bofors”.

Most British Battalions now have to AT Plattons with Platoon HQ, 4 2pdrs and 4 Brens each.

Two MMG Platoons from support Battalions are commonly attached - Platoon HQ and 4 Vickers.

The Boys AT Rifle should be reduced to one per Company HQ or dropped completely.

May 42

6pdr, Grant and Deacon appear. First two should have already appeared.

Not sure exactly when the specialist Deacon went into service but more likely later around August 1942.

White Scout Car and Jeep also appears here. First date I have for both in use is Feb 1943.

Jeep MG remove from British Army list and Standard Commonwealth and is very doubtful for paratroopers?

June 42

No Lee in British Service in the Med.

Bishop appears here to early.

July 1942

M7 Priest appears, to early - In September 1942, 90 M7s were sent to 8th Army and was available for Battle of Alamein.

Valentine VIII with 6pdr appears here?

Daimler AC appears? First date I can find is Feb 1943.

Bishop - 80 delivered to 8th Army in July 1942. However first combat in October at El Alamein (Featherstone).

August 1942

Valentine IX with 6pdr appears I think early – should be October.

Oct 1942

M5 Halftrack Seems very unlikely not used in formations until much later?

Humber III AC Yes agree with that

Crusader III No CS. Yes agree with that, no tanks converted to CS as short of numbers, so Crusader IICS used in these squadrons.

Sherman II early Most commonest type

Sherman III early Much more rare.

Stuart III I would have thought earlier than this but could be right.

Stuart IV ? probably a bit early.

Churchill IV No. Only 6 Churchill IIIS at battle of El Alamein. Very rare.

Churchill V No.

Humber Scout Car should appear here!

Good position to end Uni Carrier ATR and end or reduce Boys ATR in the Battalion to one per company.

18pdr disappear from RA – Some South African Battalions use this rather than 2pdr.

(Stuarts in British Service

Stuart I: M3 with Continental engine.

Stuart II: M3 with Guiberson diesel.

Stuart III: M3A1 with Continental engine.

Stuart IV: M3A1 with Guiberson diesel.)

Nov 1942

Humber III LRC ? Just Daimler Scout model again.

AEC I AC Probably appeared in small numbers in July.

No more Churchills until later.

Jan 1943

17pdr Apparently first guns mounted on 25pdr carriage delivered in August 1942 but first used by 8th Army at Medenine on March 6 1943.

These two are far too early should appear after July 1944 in NW Europe!

Stuart Kangaroo. Removed turret and added seats.

"The Kangaroo Infantry Carrier was deployed by the British late in the war, having served in Northern Europe with the Canadians, since shortly after the Normandy landings."

Stuart Recce came later as influenced by Kangaroo has various MGs on pintle mounts

http://www.btinternet.com/~ian.a.paterson/equipinfantry.htm#Kangaroo

http://www.mapleleafup.org/vehicles/cac/

Feb 1943

Churchill III and Churchill I CS appear

(this apparently is diffrent forom the Churchill I and has a 3" gun in the turret and hull.

http://www.geocities.com/vqpvqp/nih/Articles/1-3.html

(There is a Churchill II CS with 2pdr in hull and 3" in turret!)

11th Hussaars in January were reequipped with Daimler Amoured Cars, Daimler Scouts, White scout Cars and Jeeps.

Suspect these are first use dates for all this equipment. Jeeps used earlier but by SAS.

Marmon-Harrington II and II start to disappear as units replace them with this new kit.

South African Army gets Marmon-Harrington IV rather than Daimler - could use this 3D model - look similiar.

March 1943

17pdr first used in combat

Churchill IV appears?

Churchill V? Far too early first appears Nov 1944 in this theatre.

April 1943

75mm SP Autocar is too early. Appears in Tows for Italian campaign

May 1943

Note 22nd armoured handed in old Crusader tanks and re-equipped with Sherman IIIs.

Sicily

July and August 1943

Morris C9/B AA? Did not at first know what this was! This is a 40mm Bofors mounted on a Morris truck referred to as “SP Bofors” Issued in February 1942.

(Big hint - you have the 3d model of the truck and Bofors gun!)

The model is a Humber AA Mk 1, which should have quad MGs not twin MGs. Unless it was the Staghound AA, which has, twin MG!

Humber IV - icon shows a Canadian Crewman

Stuart Recce Late too early

Stuart Kangaroo late too early

Only brand new Sherman IIIs were used by the British Army in Sicily

Sherman I (early) ? If present were rare

Sherman I ? If present were rare

Sherman II early ?

Sherman II ?

Sherman III early ?

Sherman III

Sherman V (early) ? I think too early for Sicily

Sherman V ? I think too early for Sicily

Not present

Valentine X

Churchill IV NA Full compliment in July 1944

AEC I disappeared?

AEC II

AEC III

Stuart VI

Sexton SP 25pdr was issued to Queens Brigade after fighting ended in Tunis.

(Cannot for the life of me find a document showing Canadian tank types in Sicily!)

Italy

Sept 1943

Infantry Battalion 1943 best yet however – MMG Carrier Platoon only exist in some Infantry Recce regiments – replace with MMG on foot. This organization should appear for sicily.

Queens Infantry battalion requipped after the capture of Tunis with the PIAT. So change here occurs for Sicily.

Valentine X - just got a date of late 1943

Valentine XI – just got a date of late 1943 production. The introductory date of january 1944 may be correct.

Churchill IV arrives

Churchill IV NA Units equipped with it only get full compliment in July 1944

Churchill 75 NA - “Upon arrival in Italy the 21st and 25th Tank Brigades were re-structured to include two troops (ie. 18) of Shermans in each Squadron. When the NA75s became available, they essentially replaced the Shermans (only 3 or so retained). Within 25th Tank Brigade the North Irish Horse appear to have been the first to receive NA75s - receiving a full complement of 18 in July 1944. The other two regiments in the brigade received theirs a few weeks later.”

(Note: Churchill NA has .30 Browning MGs not Besa!)

75mm SP Autocar. It was issued to Cherry Pickers (11th Hussars) after the end of the fighting in Tunis - unit was not available for Sicily.

75mm SP was used by US forces during the Tunisian campaign and when replaced by fully tracked tank destroyers, they were handed over to the British army and used in Italy by HQ troops of armoured car and tank squadrons to provide fire support.

M3 Halftrack – Do not know for sure but good place

Staghound AC - Do not know for sure but good place

Oct 1943

Humber Scout Car? Seems late arrival - Oct 1942

Jan 1944

Staghound AA?

Valentine XI? Used as command tank /artillery observation so no platoon formation Make rare. Built in 1943 date of Oct 1943?

M10 Wolverine? got a date of July 1943?

May 1944

Churchill VI None in Italy remove!

June 1944

M5 Halftrack ?

M5A1 Halftrack ?

Staghound II?

Staghound III?

Churchill VII Too early

Churchill VIII Not used in Italy Remove.

July 1944

Stuart Recce appears here

August 1944

Churchill IX (up armoured Mk II & IV)

Churchill IX (light Turret)

Churchill X (up armoured Mk VI)

Churchill X (light turret)

Churchill XI (up armoured Mk V)

Churchill XI (light turret)

Not sure if up armoured? MKVI not used in Italy any way and MK V not in service in Italy yet – seems unlikely any used in this theatre - REMOVE!

Sept 1944

Sexton arrives July 1943!

Oct 1944

Daimler AC with little John? Seems about right

Sherman 1B I am Ok with this date?

Sherman IIA 76mm

Sherman IIC Firefly ?

Sherman VC Firefly ?

Suspect Sherman V arrival is about here? If used in this theatre!

Troop organization wants altering - No troops of just Firefly or 76mm

3 Sherman V plus 1 Sherman VC Firefly

3 Sherman II 75 plus 1 Sherman IIC Firefly or Sherman IIA 76mm

(7th Hussars equipped with Sherman DD, Buffalos called "Fantail" in this theatre and DUKWS.)

Found this peculiar Italian Frint Squadron formation for in April 1945 with a troop consisting off a 17pdr and two 76mm Shermans. CS section was two Sherman 105mm.

Not found any evidence that the troop was increased to 4 tanks as happened in NW Europe.

Nov 1944

Churchill V arrives

CS tank organized in 2’S (NIH had only one per squadron to replace a Chuchill I CS!)

Priest Kangaroo?

Where is the Sherman Kangaroo

About right date. In late 1944 , a specially organised armoured personnel carrier regiment of the 8h Army converted Priests into armoured personnel carrier. Carried 20 infantrymen plus crew of two. At same time, 8th Army’s Sherman IIIs 75 were converted into Sherman Kangaroo, removing the turret and allowed room for ten infantrymen plus crew of two.

Dec 1944

Churchill VII appears here

The infantry battalion 1944 has gone weird again, why all the Sharpshooters in HQ?

No Wasps as part of Battalion structure – also at this date does not appear in vehicles listing.

Really not sure why an Infantry section suddenly has two Stens?

Lorried Infantry Battalion has too may sharpshooters and seems to have too much artillery?

Jan 1945

Achilles?

Archer?

Not sure, either of these were used in this theatre.

Feb 1945

Wasp Flamethrower appears in Infantry structures before this date. This date may be correct but first date in use I could find was April 1945.

Infantry Battalion should drop the 6pdr AT guns at this point, as they were no longer seen as necessary and men were needed to replace losses in other parts of the Battalion.

April 1945

Churchill VII Crocodile correct in 12 RTR in 21 ATB for April 1945.

Churchill AVRE

(7th armoured Brigade are equipped with Sherman Bulldozers, Kangaroos, Churchill AVREs with Fascines and bridges, Wasps.)

I will give the artillery a cursory check.

Ok here it is:-

3 Inch Mortars should me much rarer in early Desert war period up to 1942.

18 pdrs should be gone in Oct 1942 as the remaining guns were issued to South African Infantry or otherwise retired.

How about some Naval artillery support for Sicily.

Suspect there are mistakes in Air support dates but am not expert on this.

Mr. Tittles

I do not have any problem with the BAR being able to assault although I think advance is a more useful command. You are trying to bring out the differences between these Squad support weapons, which Battlefront has made a bit too samey. I do not think this change will make much difference in game balance terms. Not played CMAK enough to tell if they are going in that direction :confused:

Anyway some thoughts on the US list if not said already - how about a separate rifle icon picture for the Springfield and sharpshooter options with Springfield or Garand.

Found some new things out so I am going to update my SPWAW British Army OOB now. So the work was not wasted!

Mod Corner had the highest number of hits ever in December! (Apparently, a third of them wanted a SPWAW Map editor, I know nothing about. Ah well, I thought CMAK was a runaway best seller and they all wanted my Nazi flag, a certain bmp from the US version and Schoerner’s program!)

[ January 17, 2004, 02:03 PM: Message edited by: Mark Gallear ]

[Schoerner]

Pathfinding algo.

Never before saw such a problematic replotting of moves from vehicles.

[Alkiviadis]

Originally posted by MAsta_KFC:

I'm surprised noone has mentioned this yet.

PANZERSHRECK/BAZOOKA/FAUST firing indoors-no surpression bug!!!

Please Fix!! :mad:

Hard & fast BUMP, it detracts from realism, very irritating. I was a software engineer for 14 years, now it can't be that hard to fix, unless the '.exe has some real spaghetti code.

[flammenwerfer]

Request-

Tree Display= Extremely Sparse Trees

[ December 27, 2003, 04:36 PM: Message edited by: Flammenwerfer ]

[Robart]

Playing counter attack at Galatas (no spoliers - don't worry).

Anyhoo, I did not do a very good job and was thinking how I was going to manage to get a draw out of it when the game ceasefired on around the 26th turn out of 30. I never requested a ceasefire (the top of the AAR said that both sides had agreed to a ceasefire). My moral was identical to the AI (66%). I thought this very strange (I must admit to being a little distracted) so I played it again. This time I had the AI on the ropes and yet again the game ceasefired on the 28th turn. Now this time the AI (German) had a moral of 18% but I still thought it was supposed to fight until 15%.

The other minor bug (may not be a bug) is that I had one squad refuse to become un-tired. They started off that way (I think the name was Weatherby or Allweather - somefink like that). Anyhoo, no matter if I left him still for a couple of minutes the best I could do was get him down to tiring. The weather is hot so maybe that has somehting to do with it. Still, I thought is strange.

Cheers,

[Redwolf]

Victory point bug around crews:

If noone ever makes it out of the vehicle alife (that means no crew marker ever appears on the map) then no victory points are awarded.

If some people make it out alife you correctly get points both for those who didn't make it out and for those incapacitated later.

[Michael Emrys]

Originally posted by Robart:

..the game ceasefired on around the 26th turn out of 30. I never requested a ceasefire (the top of the AAR said that both sides had agreed to a ceasefire). My moral was identical to the AI (66%). I thought this very strange (I must admit to being a little distracted) so I played it again. This time I had the AI on the ropes and yet again the game ceasefired on the 28th turn. Now this time the AI (German) had a moral of 18% but I still thought it was supposed to fight until 15%.

Not sure if it was the operative factor in the case you cite, but the game will automatically cease fire if both sides' ammo drops below a certain point.

Michael

[Robart]

nope - I don't think so. Again, without being a spoiler but the Auzzies have quite a bit of ammo. Maybe one or two of my squads were low but on whole we had lots of ammo. Bad strategy, but lots of ammo...

[Mark Gallear]

Thought I would give this post a bump.

I have been adding to my previous posts and now have a fairly complete listing for the British Army in North Africa.

It appears that the stuart Kangroo is a Candian development and I thought I would ask Michael to comment on its start date and that he has yet to prove thsat there were no Churchills in Sicily.

[Michael Dorosh]

The gun rack image of the Hotchkiss MG actually shows the Italian Breda instead. I think it wants to point to 25020 but doesn't and points to 25019 instead.

The larger gun rack image should I think point to 2798 instead?

[ December 27, 2003, 01:35 PM: Message edited by: Michael Dorosh ]

[Bone_Vulture]

I couple of graphic bugs with Italian forces:

There seems to be only one model for the truck mounted guns: even the tiny 20mm gun looks as robust as the 90mm doomsday cannon.

Also, aren't heavy AA gun bases separate from the model? The base for the immobile 75mm AA gun moves as the gun rotates.

Not sure about this, but the weapon icons on the info panel of certain Italian vehicles look quite similar to the American .30 / .50cal machine guns.

[Thresh1642]

To quote Murphy's Law: Suppressive Fire Isn't

I've played numerous games since getting CMAK, and no matter how many weapons systems you have targeted on a platoon of infantry in any terrain other than open, they still fire back.

In a recent game as the Brits I had 3 Vickers section, a Valentine, and a 25pdr using direct fire against a platoon of Germans in rough terrain. I fired at them for 5 rounds, and was still firing at them when they stood up and threw a grenade bundle at a Stuart that was passing 20M away.

Same thing happened against some Italians in a trench...I had 3 MG sections, two mortars and 2 6 pounders in direct fire at a trench. Moved a platoon of Infantry up the the left flank of the trench (most of my support fire was on the right), sent my assault in and was repulsed at 50m. These Italians stood up in their trench with 7 different wepons systems on a yellow line to them, and managed to put out such a volume of fire that my Veteran Infantry went to grund and crawled away.

I am sorry, I have a hard time believing that...

[Michael Dorosh]

Ah, found the problem with the Canadian/British tankers - bitmaps 500215 and 500225 have Canadian flags and should really have British union flags.

500216 and 500226 are correct; these should be copied as 500215 and 500225 for the patch.

[Michael Dorosh]

I've also noted dated in the editor - after the conquest of North Africa - that you can select French and purchase Support, Vehicles, Armor, Artillery and Fortifications, but no selections come up for Infantry.

[Agentorange]

Apologies if these have been posted already:

British vickers teams appear to be armed with Browning M1917

The same model has been used for the Staghound AA and the Morris C9/B (despite the fact that one has a 40mm bofors )

The British 20mm Oerlikon appears to be exactly the same 3D model as the German 20mm flak - ok very similiar guns but the mountings were different

aren't playtesters meant to find these things ?

[Redwolf]

Originally posted by Agentorange:

Apologies if these have been posted already:

British vickers teams appear to be armed with Browning M1917

The same model has been used for the Staghound AA and the Morris C9/B (despite the fact that one has a 40mm bofors )

The British 20mm Oerlikon appears to be exactly the same 3D model as the German 20mm flak - ok very similiar guns but the mountings were different

aren't playtesters meant to find these things ?

There's a difference between models shared because the equipment is not worth spending the time giving it its own model and errors.

The Vickers seems like an error, the other items are deliberately shared graphics.