Nikalai Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 I already own CMBO and love it. I am thinking which title to get next. What are the differences between these two games? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaska. Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 I suppose it depends on what are you interested the most - CMBB with its Eastern Front or CMAK with North Africa and Italy ? As far as I'm concerned there aren't any major differences under the hood, so I suppose it boils down to which theater interests you more. After CMBO I was thirsty for some Eastern Front action, and even though I own both BB and AK, I find myself playing only BB. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Grey Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 You can tell there have been improvements - graphics are better in BB and AK and the algorythms seem to be worked over. Short: tactics that worked in BO won´t work out the same in BB or AK and even gunfights turn out different if you use exactly the same scenarios. A few BO scenarios have been ported over to AK and they play definitely different. And - what I consider REALLY a good idea - you have dust in AK. In the desert and on dry streets etc. now dust clouds rise up when vehicles drive... Everything else is more or less the same. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aka_tom_w Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 If you like CMBO and want more of the ETO on the better CMBB game engine then you really NEED to get CMAK Other wise if you just want a change of pace and to play on the Eastern front CMBB will be fine. There might be a package deal from BFC where you can get them both together but I am not sure what is being offered in the way of marketing these days. Good luck you will be happy with either one of those games so don't worry! -tom w 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFC Tom Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 I really like CMAK. I chose between CMBB and CMAK based on the demo's. CMBB demo was not a good experence but I really did like the CMAK demo. I already had CMBO and it was great, but like others, I wanted more and CMAK did that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 There's a trade-off in features. CMAK has cool dust columns and increased turn rates for vehicles. CMBB has giant factories and human wave attacks. Some CMBB users hated the non-English speech aspect of the game, while some CMAK users hated the peculiarities of open desert warfighting. CMBB has King Tigers, Sturmtigers, and every kind of T34 imaginable. CMAK has Lees, Grants, and every kind of Valentine imaginable. I'd suggest paying a bit extra for the bundle pack and get the best - and worst - of both worlds! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aka_tom_w Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 I have not played CMAK as much as I would like to so I am not sure of this Did the King Tiger make it into CMAK? How about the Elephant? I can't recall where they drew the line of ETO dream armour and North African historical accuracy??? The Tiger I is in CMAK for Sure (I brewed on up real GOOD last night he he in the ETO mod pack in the scenarios that came with it thanks to David L I think! thanks!) -tom w 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Grey Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 There never has been a Tiger IIB in Italy (and less in North Africa), so he´s just... not there. The Elefant is in the game, because sPzJgAbt653 served in Italy in 1944. What was there in the time, is in the game. What was not there, is not in it. As simple as that. Personally, I would have liked to see a few prototypes (mainly Panther F and Panther II) and fictional after-1945 scenarios, but maybe we will see that in CMX2... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer76 Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 CMBB, hands down. At least for me, sick and tired of WWII western front, and the greatest battles ever fought was on the eastern front. 1941-1945 with HEAPS of units, what's not to like?!?! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pzman Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 This is a quote from the CMBB/CMAK pack, you can find the link off the main battlefront.com website. The Combat Mission: Afrika Korps and Barbarossa to Berlin Bundle Pack combines our two most recent Combat Mission titles together in one pack at a reduced price of only $60, a savings of $10 from the normal prices of each game sold separately. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Bolt Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 [jedi mind control]Down load the demos and buy both games. [/jedi mind control] Not necessarily in that order. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalem Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Originally posted by Panzer76: CMBB, hands down. At least for me, sick and tired of WWII western front, and the greatest battles ever fought was on the eastern front. 1941-1945 with HEAPS of units, what's not to like?!?! That it's boring as hell? -dale 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave H Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Originally posted by dalem: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Panzer76: CMBB, hands down. At least for me, sick and tired of WWII western front, and the greatest battles ever fought was on the eastern front. 1941-1945 with HEAPS of units, what's not to like?!?! That it's boring as hell? -dale</font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Other Means Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Originally posted by Panzer76: CMBB, hands down. At least for me, sick and tired of WWII western front, and the greatest battles ever fought was on the eastern front. 1941-1945 with HEAPS of units, what's not to like?!?! 80mm front StuG's for what, 130pts? I love the feel of the scenarios in CMBB but the unit pricing policy is awful. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stikkypixie Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 Originally posted by Pzman: This is a quote from the CMBB/CMAK pack, you can find the link off the main battlefront.com website. </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> The Combat Mission: Afrika Korps and Barbarossa to Berlin Bundle Pack combines our two most recent Combat Mission titles together in one pack at a reduced price of only $60, a savings of $10 from the normal prices of each game sold separately. </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throwdjohn Posted June 28, 2005 Share Posted June 28, 2005 my main problem with BB is the fact that one of the german's advantages, the ability to stand off at long ranges (1-2k) and take out enemy t-34s, is totally negated. You can have a crack pzIVG sitting in some trees ambush 1 regular t-34 from 1300 meters, but invariably the t-34 will out shoot it. Maybe I'm a whiny crybaby, but I have regular/green t-34s outshoot crack wermacht tanks on a WAY too regular basis. Is it just me, or is the AI a little too good at shooting its tanks? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Soze 71 Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 Originally posted by stikkypixie: I think CDV sells them both even cheaper. Not sure though (and only if you live in Europe). At least in Finland, I've seen CMBB for 8€ and CMAK for 10€. Didn't buy, because bought those games immediately after the release. EDIT : Oh yeah! I like CMBB way more than CMAK. [ June 30, 2005, 10:36 AM: Message edited by: Kaiser Soze 71 ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Watson Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 I love both but BB has the edge. All those units, all that history, so many brilliant scenarios. How can you pass up the chance to play scenarios set in Stalingrad, Kursk etc...? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Grey Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 Sometimes I think the Ai is actually cheating. Crack crews are often outshot be regular or even green ones... but, ont he other hand the PzIV has a high silouette and not really good armor... But somehow the AI manages - for my liking too often - to first kill the HQ tank, even when visibility is very low... so how´s that? I don´t rush my HQ tanks forward, but most of the time they´re the first ones to get shot at. Maybe it´s just bad luck, but might be not... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KG_Jag Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 If you have played the demos of CMBB and CMAK and still find it difficult to decide which to get, go with CMBB. Years ago we had an extended discussion of the battles chosen for the CMBB demo. The botton line is that they were chosen to show off the many new game features of CMBB that CMBO did not have. The demo battles were not picked as the strongest examples of CMBB game play, which is how some of us thought the CMBB should have ben approached. Since the game play is much better and deeper than is displayed in the CMBB demo and because CMBB covers so much ground in terms of geography, time frame, units and importance in the war, it may well be the best choice. But either way you will not lose and are likely to buy the second game in time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rosenrosen Posted June 30, 2005 Share Posted June 30, 2005 I enjoy both, but if you must choose, get CMBB. I play mostly QBs. I find that the randomly generated landscapes are more varied in CMBB. And there are more options for tank and infantry flavors when you purchase units. In CMAK, there is much less infantry variety in the allies and I get frustrated when some types of infantry are only sold with loads of unnecessary halftracks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eichenbaum Posted June 30, 2005 Share Posted June 30, 2005 CMAK is for boys... CMBB is for men! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted June 30, 2005 Share Posted June 30, 2005 Ah! something to bear in mind (or is that bare in mine?) too - the CMBB demo is... well... unusually sucky. It effectively shows old CMBO hands what the differences between games are but it definitaly does not have the replayability of CMBO's "Chance Encounter" for example. That may have been on purpose. BFC got a bit frustrated watching that old CMBO demo get played dozens of time over without the game subesquently being purchased. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pzman Posted June 30, 2005 Share Posted June 30, 2005 Originally posted by stikkypixie: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Pzman: This is a quote from the CMBB/CMAK pack, you can find the link off the main battlefront.com website. </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> The Combat Mission: Afrika Korps and Barbarossa to Berlin Bundle Pack combines our two most recent Combat Mission titles together in one pack at a reduced price of only $60, a savings of $10 from the normal prices of each game sold separately. </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted June 30, 2005 Share Posted June 30, 2005 The CM AI never has, and never will, cheat. If the AI were given some sort of advantage we'd be very open and honest about it (and therefore it isn't cheating). So, if it's beating you to the punch, it's because of something that is explainable in realistic terms. That's the facts Personally, I'm a CMBBer all the way. But then again, I'm one of those types that likes to play as the Romanians, so maybe my opinion doesn't count for much! Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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