Sequoia Posted May 22, 2004 Share Posted May 22, 2004 I'd love to get this version, but I guess it won't be commercially available. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holman Posted May 22, 2004 Share Posted May 22, 2004 Will it have horses??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequoia Posted May 22, 2004 Author Share Posted May 22, 2004 Well, it includes the Greek campaign, so maybe it will have Trojan Horses. I wonder if it will have Greece as a playable army. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrcar Posted May 22, 2004 Share Posted May 22, 2004 No horses and as the focus is on Australian Military History that is where the effort is being placed. Cheers Rob 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mace Posted May 22, 2004 Share Posted May 22, 2004 As a member of the Australian tax-playing public, I demand a copy of the ADF CMAK. Hey, it's worth a try. Mace 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrcar Posted May 22, 2004 Share Posted May 22, 2004 Well join the reserve Cheers Rob 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted May 22, 2004 Share Posted May 22, 2004 I'm presuming the Australian Army is paying a flat rate rather than a per-CD cost. Perhaps this will even be downloadable from the Australian Army internal website? I suppose if anyone knows an Australian Army officer it should be easy enough to obtain a copy, then, if there are no physical discs to copy protect. Incidentally, why even announce this on the forum? If DoD is footing the bill for this new research anyway, why not make the new version available as a patch to us other paying customers of the commercial version? [ May 21, 2004, 11:40 PM: Message edited by: Michael Dorosh ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrcar Posted May 22, 2004 Share Posted May 22, 2004 The Australian Army version will only include North Africa, Greece and Crete until end 1942, and only forces in that era, ie no American forces. Cheers Rob 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted May 22, 2004 Share Posted May 22, 2004 But what about "The Sullivans"? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
With Clusters Posted May 22, 2004 Share Posted May 22, 2004 I'm still interested in as to why the Australian DoD would request this version, with all the necessary modifications (and paying for them, I presume), as I asked in the 'Slang' thread (yeah, I was touchy, sorry ). Who will actually be playing/studying this? To what purpose? Will it be required for some people (officer candidates?) to play a given amount of hours? I do think historical study is very usefull for people in the military (at least the officers?), so in a way, it makes sense (it will probably grab people's attention more than some dull lecture in some ROTC-esque classroom). I'm just wondering how it will be utilized. Any notions? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted May 22, 2004 Share Posted May 22, 2004 Everyone jokes about the Canadian Army training to refight World War Two these days. It would appear Australia is now actually paying for the privilege of doing that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil stanbridge Posted May 22, 2004 Share Posted May 22, 2004 Well I think its a great idea - lots of potential there, and great publicity for BF.com. Maybe the new OOB etc can be made into a free patch - who knows. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted May 22, 2004 Share Posted May 22, 2004 Originally posted by phil stanbridge: lots of potential there, Potential for what, exactly? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Krupp Posted May 22, 2004 Share Posted May 22, 2004 Potential for Battlefront to make more money off military markets, thus allowing them to make more realistic games for the commercial market based upon the needs of the military for modern battlefield simulators. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
With Clusters Posted May 22, 2004 Share Posted May 22, 2004 They already got that in TacOps if they want it. I'm more interested in what they want in a purely 'historical' simulation/game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil stanbridge Posted May 22, 2004 Share Posted May 22, 2004 Originally posted by Michael Dorosh: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by phil stanbridge: lots of potential there, Potential for what, exactly? </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrcar Posted May 23, 2004 Share Posted May 23, 2004 It has always been a problem getting people to study military history (a modern officer is kept VERY busy), so that the lessons of the past are not repeated. To meet the X and Y generation you need to provide information in a culturally appropriate formet, multimedia and games are one such way that has been shown to be successful. As an Officer cadet, and later intelligence officer I found my wargaming background to be very beneficial, my aim is now to enlighten others as to the benefit. There are now a large number of LTCOl unit commanders who are also interested in this, who have had similar experiances and can see the benefits. Remember we are using this for education, not training. It is one tool in the toolbox, its not as if this is all they will use! Cheers Rob 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedy Posted May 23, 2004 Share Posted May 23, 2004 Originally posted by Richie: But what about "The Sullivans"? Maybe Kitty will put in an appearance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gibsonm Posted May 24, 2004 Share Posted May 24, 2004 Well as a serving ADF (sorry Rob can’t handle saying ADO yet) officer posted to a training establishment as an instructor I can see lots of potential. I have used TacOps for wargaming courses of action prior to developing a plan and post H hr to evaluate a plan with students (CAPT wishing to become MAJ and MAJ wishing to become LTCOL) and they have found it very useful. In a similar vein CMAK can be used to examine aspects of various campaigns (delaying defence in Greece, attacks at Bardia, aggressive patrolling during the seige of Tobruk, etc.) and give students a more interactive version. These principles are timeless (the tools to achieve them may change) and need to be confirmed. Given the choice between a 3 hour powerpoint presentation or model room presentation and an interactive tactical scenario where their decisions influence the outcome, I’m pretty sure I know which will be a more effective experience. Practical example: My last posting was as a Regt 2IC (XO) of a Reconnaissance Regt. We drummed into the LT’s that their job was to “sneak and peak” and to pass back information to higher. Lots of nodding heads in the room. We then used my copy of CMBO and a Light Pro (to project the action on a large screen) as a test. Each LT was given command of an armoured car troop (4 x vehicles) and told to “advance to contact” across a map known to have a small Kampfgruppe (PzGdr Coy and 3 x Panzer IV’s) advancing the other way. Some employed their training (advancing in bounds with vehicles in overwatch positions) and eventually encountered “sound contacts” and finally identified vehicles without being shot at. Others charged off thinking they were Ubermen and eventually all the information I received back was that the enemy was somewhere beyond the burning wrecks of the friendly vehicles. Needless to say they were pretty sheepish after that - esp after they bought beers in the Mess as a substitute for writing letters home. Any way as Rob said, if you live here and are interested, wander down to the local unit, talk to someone and sign just below the paragraph that says: “I, the person described on this form ...” [ May 24, 2004, 07:27 AM: Message edited by: gibsonm ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted May 24, 2004 Share Posted May 24, 2004 Mark Great story. Does the Australian army provide sheep to its officers? I am sure that would get Mace going. To the recruitment office, I mean. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gibsonm Posted May 24, 2004 Share Posted May 24, 2004 Originally posted by Andreas: Mark Great story. Does the Australian army provide sheep to its officers? I am sure that would get Mace going. To the recruitment office, I mean. Only for our Kiwi exchange Officers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
................................... Posted May 25, 2004 Share Posted May 25, 2004 Aaaaah - so this is why BFC have Australian Matilda's and Australian infantry winning at Beda Fomm. A cunning marketing trick indeed! If the Irish storm Omaha beach in the next game I'll know who their next DoD market is. (I should really have let this go by now shouldn't I ) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Krupp Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 oh, didn't you know it was the micks doing it in Saving Private Ryan? If hollywood says they were there then there can really be no argument..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolds7 Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 I know this is about 9 years late but if any of you guys are still interested in CMAK australian army version (AAV) I have a copy!!! My father works in the UK defence industry and picked me up a copy years ago 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicky Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Fascinating - What are the differences from the bog standard commercial version? I know this is about 9 years late but if any of you guys are still interested in CMAK australian army version (AAV) I have a copy!!! My father works in the UK defence industry and picked me up a copy years ago 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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