David Chapuis Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Does anybody know if art/mortars will knock out open turret TDs, like the M10? I guess I could run a test, but ... there is so much knowledge here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeeDog Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Yes. In fact, with airbursts, it doesn't even have to be a direct hit- a round exploding in the branches above a TD can potentially kill enough of the crew to force an abandonment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Arty can knock out full blown tank, if the top armour is thin enough and the shell heavy enough 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Pilot Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 They certainly will, especially if that armor is in scattered trees. Read John Kettler's ROW IV AAR for examples of both 81mm and 120mm mortar rounds KO-ing open-topped armor. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brent Pollock Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 What kind or art did you have in mind...I suggest a tasteful, handspun terracotta bowl filled with some sort of explosive 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rleete Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Only some kinds of art. I suppose some modern art will cause nausea, but a classic like the Mona Lisa is simply a diversionary tactic. Sculpture, on the other hand, could be quite devastating; imagine the statue of David dropped from a decent height will cause all sorts of damage. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vixen Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Killed a Tiger with an American 155mm hit before and killed King Tiger/Panthers with 122mm & 152mm Russian artillery along with numerous other less hardy vehilcles of many nantionalities. Immobilized quite a number as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 A couple of Dali paintings would stop any infantry assault in its tracks, if only so they can try to make some sense of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rleete Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Originally posted by Vixen: Killed a Tiger...PETA is gonna be all over you for that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Killing tanks with artilllery/mortars was real easy in CMBO. In CMBB the feature was turned down substantially (due to board complaints?). In my experience its AWFULLY hard now to hit a tank with off-board artillery. Sometimes you get a lucky mobility kill or gun damage. If you achieve a proper 'turret roof penetration' kill from an artillery strike you must have angels on your side! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David I Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 By dropping 81mm Mortar rounds near an M-10 I forced it to move involuntarily. Unforturnately for it, it moved right into the line of sight of my Panther. On another occasion my opponent dropped some 105 Arty on top of two Pz IVJ's of mine. The 1st Round decapitated both tank's commanders at the same time. The fourth round immobilized one of the Panzers. Bummer. DavidI ----- "....and thanks for all the fish". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirocco Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 It can be useful to drop mortars or artillery on armour to strip them of infantry. In certain circumstances you can even use it to button the target to make it an easier kill for your AFV's, if you don't have a sharpshooter to hand, for example. In general I prefer to save them for dealing with guns or concentrations of infantry, as the KO chance seems a pretty poor bargain. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Enigma Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Originally posted by MikeyD: Killing tanks with artilllery/mortars was real easy in CMBO. thats true, in one of the british airborne operations, i took out a few tanks and forced the others to back off with an arty strike ... god bless those mortars they saved us! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Chapuis Posted January 5, 2005 Author Share Posted January 5, 2005 I did a test with the artillery that I have in my qb. One tank out of 15 abandoned. Not very good odds. However, I did notice that those tanks moved forward as soon as the rounds started falling. that might come in handy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platehead Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Just lost a Crusader MkII CS to German off map arty. The 9mm turret roof just couldn't stop a 105mm shell. Then the 'burns easily' trait went into effect. Oh the horror of the flames. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Other Means Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 If an open topped AFV is moving down, say, a road & will pass close to a patch of trees, it's worth area firing the edge of the trees to get an airburst to take out the TC, or even force abandonment. Whether the abandonment is because the TC is killed (I've had a sniper force an abandonment of a Panther ) or it's to simulate more damage I don't know. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throwdjohn Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 There is a battle in the CMAK guide scenario pack that deals with this. Basically you get a couple (one?) palttons of inf. and a 155mm spotter, with a VERY exposed Tiger sitting on a ridge. Since you are given no AT you must use arty to get rid of the cat. I dun think this one would work well as 2-player, but vs AI germans its fun little scenario 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Ace Pilot got his considerable lumps in against me with 81mm and 120mm mortar fire, but as reading the AAR will show, the U.S. 60mm mortar can be a deadly threat to open topped armor of all types. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Pilot Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 I'd forgotten about the halftrack you got with that mortar round, John. Nice shot. At the time, I thought it was a bazooka round. While my 120mm mortar spotter claimed a couple of open-topped vehicles, I was surprised at how effective the on-board mortars were. Between your 60mm mortars and my 81mm mortars (using area fire from more than 1,000m away), I think 3 or 4 vehicles got blasted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRUMLIN Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 I took a tiger out a few weeks back in a test QB against one of my onionwars colleagues. Hit it with a 120mm and got a top penetration. As I only had 'old' t34s on the rest of the board, it was worth rolling the arty at it, even if only to force it to button whilst I ran for the flank shots. Grum 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David I Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Throwdjohn, Try "Panic at Gela" as the Americans to use a primarily artillery defense against an armored group. DavidI ------- "....and thanks for all the fish." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willbell Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 I'm surprised Kettler is the only one to mention 60ms. They are my weapon of choice for all open topped vehicles. The great advantage being that the spotter can stay hidden, and the mortar can be out of LOS. 105s and 150s will wipe out M10s just by falling close by, one shell can even take out two close by M10s. For closed tanks, 105s and 150s can work, but with a great waste of ammo. Lucky shots are cool, but I save it for arty and "infantry?". I have read quite a few accounts of infantry calling in 150s on tanks to knock them out, but have never been able to reliably manage that in CMXX 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Thanks, Ace Pilot! In fairness, to you, the 120mm mortar fire very nearly destroyed my entire M-10 force--in addition to wreaking all sorts of other havoc. Also, I need to forgive you for oh so prematurely depriving me of my M-16 GMC via apparent 81mm mortar fire. Would be remiss, though, if I failed to note my other significant 60mm mortar victim--your Marder. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Pilot Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 John - I think between us we killed more vehicles with indirect fire than we did with direct fire! Perhaps our boys need some training in direct fire techniques. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 Ace Pilot, Too funny! I threw everything I had (left) at you and barely lived to tell the tale. Your scheme to interdict and kill my armor very nearly did me in. My Belton Coopers hate you! Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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