Melnibone Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 Good...not only me who struggled as Axis on Honor...that scenario was hard work! In my opinion it was a bit too unbalanced to be enjoyable for the Axis. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 LoL, Nabla or no Nabla my money is on Walpurgis Night, 97 to 3 (!), 89 to 11 and slipping a little 82 to 18. Finally lost a tank in that one eh? Thanks to everyone for another great tournament. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 Hmph. I did really bad in Champagne but better than average in others it seems. Walpurgis has clearly won though. =) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holien Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 Hi Gents, Congrats on the scores and completing the games. Can I remind those in with a shout for the wine that I need your AAR's before the end of this next week. I am sure that I will be corrected but to get the wine we need a half decent AARs from the winners. I am hoping for brilliant but I know how long they take to do. I hope that the other players who are not in with a chance might consider AARs as well, escpecially from those in the top seeded groups. I know the pain that might cause but for the sake of the community it would be good to read how you faired at the hands of some top quality opponents. I have a short list of 5 Top quality AAR's from the first round and will create a ZIP pack with them in for any of you who want to vote on the AAR prize. This will be posted on a web site for collection as soon as I have seen the final AAR's and seen if any of them are good enough for the AAR prize. I will be saying this again and again... The quality of all the AAR's has been fantastic and I think I can say we have gathered far more in this tourney than previously. Some great reads and I am sure WWB will be posting them as soon as he can. Cheers H 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenAsJade Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 I thought Kingfish was going to run my Wolf battle to completion. Is there any reason not to? (I'm not incredibly fussed - but the opportunity is there) GaJ. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted October 11, 2004 Author Share Posted October 11, 2004 I'll get that one in, probably tonight when I do the prelim score calcs. That should give you guys a rough idea of the leaders of each section (pre-AAR bonus and final Nabla calcs). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve McClaire Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 Originally posted by Holien: I have a short list of 5 Top quality AAR's from the first round and will create a ZIP pack with them in for any of you who want to vote on the AAR prize... Holien - Two of my first round AARs are not listed on the B&T website. Have you received them? They are for 'Firefight '40' and 'Things that Go Bump in the Night'. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walpurgis nacht Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 Originally posted by Melnibone: In my opinion it was a bit too unbalanced to be enjoyable for the Axis. I completely agree. One important thing however . . . the composer, jwxspoon, made a last minute aesthetic change from "mid-day" to "dawn", which due to the fog settings, changed the LOS from infinite to 200 meters. This was not his intention and I think he was really bummed out when he realized (too late). We all know Jeff is one of the very best designers so I'm over it! I still think it would be an attack friendly scenario, but with unrestricted LOS you could at least build mutually supporting cells for your defense. [ October 11, 2004, 05:50 PM: Message edited by: Walpurgis Nacht ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melnibone Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 Interesting, jwxspoon has made some of the best scenarios I've played in CM...so all is forgiven 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holien Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 Originally posted by Steve McClaire: Holien - Two of my first round AARs are not listed on the B&T website. Have you received them? They are for 'Firefight '40' and 'Things that Go Bump in the Night'. Steve [/QB]Hi, Yes and I am not sure that WWB has had a chance to load all AAR's onto the web page? Perhaps if he sees this message he can check? If he does not have them I can certainly let him have them again. Cheers H 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenAsJade Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 Is LOS in fog infinite at mid-day? Wierd! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenAsJade Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 I really enjoyed setting up Honour as the Axis. I didn't totally enjoy getting whupped, but no-one said that the scenarios were going to be even (in fact the rules reserve the right for them not to be). Did anyone simply run away, and save the lives of the defending troops? For me I was already decimated before I realised I had set up a lost cause. Also, WN has shown that Honour can be won. It just took a rather unexpected (for dummies like me) approach. And isn't that how the great commanders always win: chosing the correct unexpected approach? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 I'm curious as to how we're supposed to rate AARs when, for example, three of the five I submitted (before my aborted attempt to complete the Finals) have yet to be posted at B&T? Also, is there some compelling reason the AARs couldn't have been put up in HTML? Would've saved time and made reading them a lot easier. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenAsJade Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 My understanding is that a review team has selected 5 of the best, and we get to rate those. I share your frustration that the AARs are not yet posted. My offer of assistance with getting that problem fixed remains open. GaJ. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melnibone Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 Originally posted by GreenAsJade: ... but no-one said that the scenarios were going to be even (in fact the rules reserve the right for them not to be). Within limits I agree, but if it's as one sided as the averages portray for this particular scenario then it's just no fun. I certainly don't need to win to have fun but for me this one turned into a 50 turn grind. Just my opinion of course and thanks to the designer anyway for his work - it's far better than I could do 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 Interesting the diversity in scores with Wolf in Sheeps Clothing. While draws were made it seems there was a real opportunity to win from either side. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwxspoon Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 When I submitted Honor to Kingfish the fog setting was at midday, which allowed for 800+ meter visibility. Made the hidden axis AT stuff very potent, as well as the arty from hidden observers. Kingfish noticed in my briefing I had mentioned an attack at Dawn. When he asked me which one to change, briefing or scenario time setting, I had a total brain lapse and told him to change the scenario time setting to dawn. The resulting LOS reduction totally changed the scenario balance and once I realized it it was too late. I realize that in the scheme of things for ROW IV it didn't affect the balance of the tourney, but I know for a fact that it did affect the 'fun factor' greatly. My sincere apologies. jwxspoon 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenAsJade Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 Commiserations jwx - how frustrating to have your great work derailed at the last moment! I said it before, but its still worth saying: it was fun to set up, and took many hours of thought. One sign of a good scenario IMHO. It's nice to know how it got where it did in the end! GaJ. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 I'd like to see how the best axis player in that scenario set up... My original opponent didn't do very well, my attack literally decimated him everywhere except one bunker managed to kill 2 tanks and a shreck one more on the same spot. I think it would have been quite different in daylight. I set up for attack in good visibility before I realized what the visibility was. This costed me some time, but I still took all the flags except the ones in the stone buildings. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted October 13, 2004 Author Share Posted October 13, 2004 Here is the updated raw score list. I've added a few more which changes the total precentage and average for 'Wolf'. Methode Champenois mPsis - 33 / Heavy Drop - 67 Deadly 88 - 92 / Enoch - 8 Walpurgis Night - 97 / The Capt - 3 Boris - 63 / Londoner - 37 Bryce Baker - 46 / Melnibone - 54 Mick OZ - 68 / Capt T - 32 PittPanther31 - 29 / Victor Charlie - 71 Green as Jade - 37 / a1 Steaks - 63 Dangerous Dave - 67 / Nestor - 33 Kanonier Reichmann - 49 / Elmar Bijlsma - 51 Cuzn - 34 / Tabpub - 66 Levitacus - 38 / Tychus - 62 SlicerW - 86 / BigMik1 - 14 Combined Arms - 75 / Stoneage - 25 Malakovski - 83 / AC - 17 Paul Atreides - 38 / Ankulin - 62 Ted - 61 / Herbixx - 39 GG - 46 / Steve McClaire - 54 Total scenarios completed - 18/18 (100%) Average axis score - 57.89 Average allied score - 42.11 Wolf in sheep's clothing Deadly 88 - 45 / mPisi - 55 Enoch - 31 / Heavy Drop - 69 Londoner - 11 / Walpurgis Night - 89 The Capt - 48 / Boris - 52 Mick OZ - 42 / Melnibone - 58 Capt T - 68 / Bryce Baker - 32 Victor Charlie - 71 / a1 Steaks - 29 PittPanther31 - 55 / Green as Jade - 45 Tabpub - 75 / Tychus - 25 Cuzn - 48 / Levitacus / 52 BigMik1 - 45 / Stoneage - 55 SlicerW - 77 / Combined Arms - 23 AC - 64 / Ankulin - 36 Malakovski - 69 / Paul Atreides - 31 Herbixx - 18 / Steve McClaire - 82 Ted - 74 / GG - 26 Total scenario completed - 16/18 (88%) Average axis score - 52.56 Average allied score - 47.44 Proof of Honor Enoch - 17 / mPisi - 83 Heavy Drop - 29 / Deadly 88 - 71 Walpurgis Night - 82 / Boris - 18 Londoner - 56 / The Capt - 44 Melnibone - 19 / Capt T - 81 Bryce Baker - 28 / Mick OZ - 72 Green as Jade - 21 / Victor Charlie - 79 Elmar Bijlsma - 21 / Dangerous Dave - 79 Tychus - 26 / Cuzn - 74 Levitacus - 20 / Tabpub - 80 Stoneage - 23 / SlicerW - 77 Combined Arms - 23 / BigMik1 - 77 Ankulin - 48 / Malakovski - 52 Paul Atreides - 23 / AC - 77 Steve McClaire - 41 / Ted - 59 Total completed scenarios - 15/18 (83%) Average axis score - 31.80 Average allied score - 68.20 Pre-AAR bonus scores to follow 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenAsJade Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 I imagine Walpurgis Night AAR will really open some eyes and cause some slapping of fros. "Why didn't I think of that?!". GaJ. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CombinedArms Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 I sure as hell want to read them. He got 89 points as Axis in Honor--a scenario where the designer admits he blew the balance by changing the visibility. (Kind of kills my excuse for scoring just a 23). And he makes my score as Allies in Wolf look equally pitiful. I want to know how so many allied commanders managed to win that one. My tanks just couldn't kill the Germans, even when they had 3x1 odds, with flank shots. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted October 13, 2004 Author Share Posted October 13, 2004 OK, lets get some scores posted, shall we? The first scenario on our list is Methode Champenois. As with the regular tourney I will post three numbers beside each players name, with the axis player first. The first is your scenario score (in bold). The second is the difference between your score and the median score. The third is the difference from the median divided by the standard deviation. This will give you a rough idea of who the leaders are in each section. Keep in mind that the last figure is pre-AAR bonus. Once we get those added in we will run the scores thru the Nabla system, and we announce our winners. Also keep in mind that only the top 6 matchups are the ones vying for the wine. Methode Champenois Average axis score: 57.89 Average allied score: 42.11 Standard Deviation (same for both sides): 22.02 mPisi 33 / -24.89 / -1.13 Heavy Drop 67 / 24.89 / 1.13 Deadly 88 92 / 34.11 / 1.55 Enoch 8 / -34.11 / -1.55 Walpurgis Night 97 / 39.11 / 1.78 The Capt 3 / -39.11 / -1.78 Boris 63 / 5.11 / 0.23 Londoner 37 / -5.11 / -0.23 Bryce Baker 46 / -11.89 / -0.54 Melnibone 54 / 11.89 / 0.54 Mick OZ 68 / 10.11 / 0.46 Capt T 32 / -10.11 / -0.46 ********************************** PittPanther31 29 / -28.89 / -1.31 Victor Charlie 71 / 28.89 / 1.31 Green as Jade 37 / -20.89 / -0.95 a1 Steaks 63 / 20.89 / 0.95 Dangerous Dave 67 / 9.11 / 0.41 Nestor 33 / -9.11 / -0.41 Kanonier Reichmann 49 / -8.89 / -0.40 Elmar Bijlsma 51 / 8.89 / 0.40 Cuzn 34 / -23.89 / -1.08 Tabpub 66 / 23.89 / 1.08 Levitacus 38 / -19.89 / -0.90 Tychus 62 / 19.89 / 0.90 SlicerW 86 / 28.11 / 1.28 BigMik1 14 / -28.11 / -1.28 Combined Arms 75 / 17.11 / 0.78 Stoneage 25 / -17.11 / -0.78 Malakovski 83 / 25.11 / 1.14 AC 17 / -25.11 / -1.14 Paul Atreides 38 / -19.89 / -0.90 Ankulin 62 / 19.89 / 0.90 Ted 61 / 3.11 / 0.14 Herbixx 39 / -3.11 / -0.14 GG 46 / -11.89 / -0.54 Steve McClaire 54 / 11.89 / 0.54 [ October 13, 2004, 08:37 AM: Message edited by: Kingfish ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted October 13, 2004 Author Share Posted October 13, 2004 Wolf in Sheep's Clothing Average axis score: 52.56 Average allied score: 47.44 Standard Deviation: 20.33 Deadly 88 45 / -7.56 / -0.37 mPisi 55 / 7.56 / 0.37 Enoch 31 / -21.56 / -1.06 Heavy Drop 69 / 21.56 / 1.06 Londoner 11 / -41.56 / -2.04 Walpurgis Night 89 / 41.56 / 2.04 The Capt 48 / -4.56 / -0.22 Boris 52 / 4.56 / 0.22 Mick OZ 42 / -10.56 / -0.52 Melnibone 58 / 10.56 / 0.52 Capt T 68 / 15.44 / 0.76 Bryce Baker 32 / -15.44 / -0.76 ******************************** Victor Charlie 55 / 2.44 / 0.12 a1 Steaks 45 / -2.44 / -0.12 PittPanther31 71 / 18.44 / 0.91 Green as Jade 29 / -18.44 / -0.91 Tabpub 75 / 22.44 / 1.10 Tychus 25 / -22.44 / -1.10 Cuzn 48 / -4.56 / -0.22 Levitacus 52 / 4.56 / 0.22 BigMik1 45 / -7.56 / -0.37 Stoneage 55 / 7.56 / 0.37 SlicerW 77 / 24.44 / 1.20 Combined Arms 23 / -24.44 / -1.20 AC 64 / 11.44 / 0.56 Ankulin 36 / -11.44 / -0.56 Malakovski 69 / 16.44 / 0.81 Paul Atreides 31 / -16.44 / -0.81 Herbixx 18 / -34.56 / -1.70 Steve McClaire 82 / 34.56 / 1.70 Ted 74 / 21.44 / 1.05 GG 26 / -21.44 / -1.05 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted October 13, 2004 Author Share Posted October 13, 2004 Proof of Honor Average axis score: 31.80 Average allied score: 68.20 Standard Deviation: 17.92 Enoch 17 / -14.80 / -0.83 mPisi 83 / 14.80 / 0.83 Heavy Drop 29 / -2.80 / -0.16 Deadly 88 71 / 2.80 / 0.16 Walpurgis Night 82 / 50.20 / 2.80 Boris 18 / -50.20 / -2.80 Londoner 56 / 24.20 / 1.35 The Capt 44 / -24.20 / -1.35 Melnibone 19 / -12.80 / -0.71 Capt T 81 - 12.80 / 0.71 Bryce Baker 28 / -3.80 / -0.21 Mick OZ 72 / 3.80 / 0.21 ******************************* Green as Jade 21 / -10.80 / -0.60 Victor Charlie 79 / 10.80 / 0.60 Elmar Bijlsma 21 / -10.80 / -0.60 Dangerous Dave 79 / 10.80 / 0.60 Tychus 26 / -5.80 / -0.32 Cuzn 74 / 5.80 / 0.32 Levitacus 20 / -11.80 / -0.66 Tabpub 80 / 11.80 / 0.66 Stoneage 23 / -8.80 / -0.49 SlicerW 77 / 8.80 / 0.49 Combined Arms 23 / -8.80 / -0.49 BigMik1 77 / 8.80 / 0.49 Ankulin 48 / 16.20 / 0.90 Malakovski 52 / -16.20 / -0.90 Paul Atreides 23 / -8.80 / -0.49 AC 77 / 8.80 / 0.49 Steve McClaire 41 / 9.20 / 0.51 Ted 59 / -9.20 / -0.51 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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