PiggDogg Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 JJL, I wondering if any of you have used flamethrower teams against tanks or armored cars and what results have you seen. I'm about to spring a concealed team on a friend of mine (our first PBEM of CMBO) and don't want to waste these precious German lives if unnecessary. In a long ago BB tournament game, from a small wooden building, one of my Ruskie FT teams killed a PzII as it drove past that building on an adjacent road. :eek: It was most interesting, gratifying, and a quite unusual occurance. Many, many moons ago, in a BO game, an American FT team on the top floor of a two story building killed a German halftrack. Otherwise, I have not seen FT teams kill any other vehicles. Thus, I would not bet the usefullness of FT teams versus vehicles. However, if you are set up to spring a trap, do it. It should be fun filled experience. Cheers, Richard [ February 17, 2004, 10:29 AM: Message edited by: PiggDogg ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aco4bn187inf Posted February 6, 2004 Share Posted February 6, 2004 When playing in a campaign, if there is no suitable use for flamethrowers in the current fighting, I use them to torch abandoned enemy vehicles. Prevents them being used against you in subsequent battles if the enemy has good repair and recovery. Use available cover, though, because the explosion of the vehicle can be dangerous to the FT crew. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aco4bn187inf Posted February 6, 2004 Share Posted February 6, 2004 Oops, I mean "operation", not campaign. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseltaylor Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 I have had a flammpanzer [tank] take out a T34/85 with three jets at about 50 metres as it came around a lump in the hill. The other T34/85 coming from another direcrtion backed off and an infantry squad assuming the death of my tank got flamed at the end of the move. And this was against a reasonable player .opies of the CMBB film are available ... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savagegoose Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 as someone posted earlier, the tank crew may not know what is firing on them. one moment they're cruising along hoping not to be blasted by an AT crew, next their tank is on fire! i cant begin too imagine what that would feel like. looking thru a vision slot and all i see is flame. i can guess primitive feelings like "i must run" come to mind and being trapped in a burning vehicle or sitting it out and seeing if fire goes out takes more balls than i care to speculate on. a large negative moral modfier would be in order with any flame attack i imagine, hence the bailings 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDork Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 Originally posted by dieseltaylor: I have had a flammpanzer [tank] take out a T34/85 with three jets at about 50 metres as it came around a lump in the hill. The other T34/85 coming from another direcrtion backed off and an infantry squad assuming the death of my tank got flamed at the end of the move. And this was against a reasonable player .opies of the CMBB film are available ... Nah, we all know you cheat. That's the only way you could be beating me as bad as you are right now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valancourt Posted February 15, 2004 Share Posted February 15, 2004 Quick q. How can I get my Churchill Crocodile to target a building with its flamer? I want to render some buildings unusable by the enemy and it would be handy to burn them but I can't get the Croc to use its flamethrower, only its 75mm. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDork Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 How close are you to the building? The flamethrowers range isn't all that big. If you are too far out the AI will just use the gun and not the flamethrower. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valancourt Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 Right close in. Have actually completed that game without razing the building Do I presume that targetting the building and selecting `use main gun' -> yes will activate flamer rather than cannon automatically? (For future reference) Tx 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joachim Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 Originally posted by Valancourt: Right close in. Have actually completed that game without razing the building Do I presume that targetting the building and selecting `use main gun' -> yes will activate flamer rather than cannon automatically? (For future reference) Tx I'd try "No". The main gun is the 75mm, the flamer is in a MG slot.... Gruß Joachim 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REVS Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 Have you tried flamethrower tanks? I used a Russian one in a CMBB town game recently and he set the whole joint on fire! Good thing was he was deadly from quite a range, and the German boys who seemed happy and secure in their large stone buildings were suddenly reduced to refugees on the streets. For town games, I think a flamethrower tank might be top of my shopping list from now on. Very impressive! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wamphyri Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 Know it's been a long time since anything's been added here but figured I'd add one instead of start a new posting about it. Had a QB I played vs the russians (cmbb) in around 1942ish, computer determined all units so I ended up with some realy bad tanks with only 30mm armor vs some t34's. There was only 1 flag and it was in some woods on a hill closer to me than him. I setup this brutal defensive screen using the SMG's and 2 FT teams. I guessed perfectly as to where the AI( i know I know .. but I just wanted to play) would come up to attack. I had a staggered line of smg's and regular infantry squads with my 2 FT's in between and about half as many squads in the rear as reserves. It was a brutal masacre, if my smg's didn't get them and they got too close .. the FT's finished them off. I was out numbered at least 3-1, the only real casualties I took were when I tried to deal with the t34's that came near the woods. I'd send my squads out to throw packs and some got gunned down before it happened. Still got all the t34's with my infantry tho!! But the Ft's realy helped in this since I'd probably have been overwelmed from all the enemy troops. All the FT's lived to fight another day! Wamphyri 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyepilot Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 I find that in my limited experience (AI only...so far...) that I can assault with FT in tandem with lots 'O smoke. Advancing on trenches and fox holes from as little as 10m is incredibly effective! Twice I have plunged FT through smoke (While supressing /w Inf.)and devastated defence positions. One of those times I broke a squad just by showing up! I guess the sight of my fire vomiting teams advancing thru the smoking hell of war was just to much! I have yet to try FT on vehicles but I am very glad this thread has been "ressurected". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junk2drive Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 Like this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macphail Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 nice pic 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willbell Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 Good stuff guys. I'm movin' my FT out now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Hope Park Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 I had always thought that flamethrowers can kill whatever they are used on: T 34s, Tiger IIs, Mausen, and even modern armour, up to and including the Abrahms. ... but from what you say, this is incorrect? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vixen Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 I've killed tanks with them before. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brent Pollock Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 You don't even have to have LOS to the target - I had a SPW 251/16 area fire near a sound contact on the other side of a wooded patch - KABOOM! That was one unhappy open-topped AC crew. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vixen Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 Just burned out a buttoned Tiger in one squirt this eve. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeSSian3 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 Can't comment on the reality in battle, but in the year I've been playing the game, my best moment came when my hidden FT opened up on 3 Russian BT model tanks. They had moved up seeking cover from the building my team was hidden in. In the next one minute, all 3 were toast! Used all my fuel, but sure was nice to see the 3 smoke plumes in a row (universal distress signal). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpitfireXI Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 I have read that most Soviet FT teams were given that task as punishment. Makes more sense to me why they last only a few minutes in battle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timu24 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 I will bring back this post by saying that I took out a T-34 with a FT. I didn't even tell them to fire on it. Then I suddenly see a blast of fire and bye bye tank. He survived for like five more rounds but did little more damage but scare away the remaining tanks. Tim 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Kuenstler Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 I've burned a few tanks with my FT units but have not had the same sucess with Tigers - perhaps the armor thickness has something to do with it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Unless meticulously maintained, any internal combustion engine is bound to have drips and leaks which are combustible, as are rubber hoses, as is wire insulation. This was true of gasoline powered mowers I used as a kid and even more so of combat vehicles. Aircraft have to be maintained to very high standards in order to fly, but just look at all the drips and runs on them. Tanks are much worse than aircraft in this regard. Also, crews tend to stow personal gear on the outside of their tanks, interior room being at a premium, and bedrolls, packs and the like burn nicely, as do the camouflage nets commonly found on many AFVs. It's even more exciting if jerrycans of fuel, boxes of grenades and spare ammo are externally carried. Tanks have these nifty things called intake ventilators, and guess what happens when the tank is suddenly sheathed in flaming sooty hydrocarbon? We know ventilators can be significant because a King Tiger crew abandoned ship after a WP round set the bedrolls on fire and the smoke got sucked in, causing the crew to believe that the tank was ablaze. I believe the entire T-34 family had no bulkhead separating the engine compartment from the fighting compartment. In closing, I believe that JasonC's statement about depriving the crew of oxygen may well be off the mark. If a flamethrower can do that to the crew of a pillbox, then if a suitable opening exists, it ought to be possible to do the same to an AFV. A pillbox can't possibly be any more crowded than a StuG crew was, and many pillboxes were several times larger than that. Shall have to check my ORDNANCE IN THE FIELD Army Green Book to see what it says on the matter in its extensive flamethrower coverage. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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