Beleg85 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Battlefront.com said: Theoretically yes. That and the intellectual class. Let's put it this way... it certainly isn't helpful to Putin that Khodorkovsky is putting his voice behind Prig. Steve It was expected to be frank...but he isn't danger for Putin by himself. Long ago liberals put a cross on him, and he stop to represent even some other oligarchs. 2 hours ago, kraze said: I agree with you here. This is Russia. Without spilling a lot of blood nothing ever moves there. And note that even GKCHP coup was way more violent than this, with tanks firing on parliament. Here it looks like a show of force, flexing - "see, I have muscle - so give me stuff". After all if Prigozhin is willing to negotiate - that's not really a coup isn't it. I have the same feeling that all will end in "Good Tsar, bad boyars" kind of reconcilliation with some minmal bloodshed. On the other side, Putin may misjudge the situation, which is changing by hour now, and do some unpredictable moves like keeping too tigh to MoD. And another important potential actor... Edited June 24, 2023 by Beleg85 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Beleg85 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Grigb said: In general, regarding helicopters. Two Mi-8mtpr were shot down. Electronic warfare helicopters. A pair flew. The crews are alive. The Mi-35 was also shot down. Whether he worked on the column, I do not know. The crew is alive. Due to the fact that the Wagner column is traveling along the M4 highway mixed with civilian vehicles, helicopters obviously cannot work. The highway is now closed. [Civilian] Cars are being removed. Pretty impressive feat of shooting down 3 helis with no casaulties...unless they targeted them with machine guns and simply forced to land, I would expect to see more victims... Ok, situation normal...: Edited June 24, 2023 by Beleg85 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grigb Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 12:00 Claim that previous video of firefight is from Boguchar (49°57′N 40°33′E) 12:08 RU Nat mood shifting that this is mutiny but not against Putin but against Shoigu. 12:13 https://t.me/rian_ru/206788 RIA News Don Ural and Crime highways are closed in Moscow region 12:15 https://t.me/MishaDonbass/965 Claim pro-ru Donets population is in shock https://t.me/dva_majors/18905 Video from Rostov at HQ - there are armed people and vehicles Situation getting more tense due to rumors of Kadyrovci move to disarm Wagnerites 12:19 https://t.me/bumaznayaZmeya/33230 Prig new announcement - Putin is wrong about treason. We are right, they are wrong. We are against corruption. [RU MOD] Bureaucrats do not give shells to troops and now they are killing civilians [trying to hit us]. Anyone who is with them is scum. 12:25 Looks lie RU gov is trying to block Telegram in some Ru areas https://t.me/ChDambiev/24204 Videos - claim Wagnerites column (aprox 4 000 men) passed Voronezh [heading toward Moscow] 12:27 https://t.me/grohot_gr/11140 Claim - There is public alarm going of at Voronezh https://t.me/grohot_gr/11141 Oil depot is on fire 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grigb Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Claim - video that fighting has started at Rogochevka village (Voronezh region https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Рогачёвка_(Воронежская_область)#/maplink/) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheVulture Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 17 minutes ago, FancyCat said: That seems out of step with the rhetoric so far. Wagner say they are not interfering with the invasion of Ukraine, and have shot down aircraft that were targeting them. But an An-26 is a transport aircraft, so a) it is no immediate threat, and b) were they really that sure that it was carrying equipment or troops that were being deployed against Wagner? Just seems to me that shooting down transport aircraft is, at first glance, at odds with what Prig says he is doing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letter from Prague Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FancyCat Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 5 minutes ago, TheVulture said: That seems out of step with the rhetoric so far. Wagner say they are not interfering with the invasion of Ukraine, and have shot down aircraft that were targeting them. But an An-26 is a transport aircraft, so a) it is no immediate threat, and b) were they really that sure that it was carrying equipment or troops that were being deployed against Wagner? Just seems to me that shooting down transport aircraft is, at first glance, at odds with what Prig says he is doing. Wagner would never lie. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beleg85 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, Letter from Prague said: Using last strategic popcorn reserves... If some more civilians get killed, things get spirall quite fast. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huba Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Reportedly RU security forces are setting up defensive positions south of the Moscow Ring Road, and are preparing to blow bridges on the Oka river. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Beleg85 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Probably grabbing a smack. Ordering to-go. Surreal: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grigb Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 12:30 https://telesco.pe/bolshiepushki/4397 Claim - another Wagnerite units is crossing the border 12:39 https://t.me/dva_majors/18924 Claim - Video Tanks are moving toward Moscow [probably RU MOD]. Tanks in Moscow is a very sensitive topic for RU. 12:40 https://t.me/horevica/12823 Claim Voronezh Oil depot was attacked by KA-52 12:42 https://t.me/elite_rezerve/21856 Claim exchange rate for dollar 1 to 90, Euro 1 to 100 (exchange rate with three digits is very sensitive topic for RU) 12:46 RU Nats are discussing that both Prig and Putin live in their own realities 12:50 https://t.me/juchkovsky/3705 Claim that kadirovci indeed started to move toward Rostov. Not very smart move for Kremlin .https://t.me/natalia_maximus_ZOV/17528 Claim - Rostov support Wagnerites. They help Wagnerites with water nad food I am off for some time 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paxromana Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Grigb said: I am off for some time Thanks for your sterling service in keeping is udated on the craziness! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FancyCat Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 If this lasts longer without Wagner or Putin winning, both sides will have to start involving forces in Ukraine, plenty of whom may be sympathetic to Wagner and probably plenty loyal to Putin. Spanish civil war vibes, where both sides ferry in loyal troops, Africa for Wagner, Syria for Putin, and how long before units in Russia start shooting each other? Christ. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FancyCat Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Denial of resources to Wagner? Crikey. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huba Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, FancyCat said: If this lasts longer without Wagner or Putin winning, both sides will have to start involving forces in Ukraine, plenty of whom may be sympathetic to Wagner and probably plenty loyal to Putin. Spanish civil war vibes, where both sides ferry in loyal troops, Africa for Wagner, Syria for Putin, and how long before units in Russia start shooting each other? Christ. Yup, from UA perspective the best outcome is this thing dragging on long enough so that RU army units in Ukraine have to be involved. There are some reports about significant progress happening in Bakhmut already, but I think something big is going to happen at the southern front very soon. Another thought - what Prig army is doing at the moment seems like the perfect environment for using Battalion Tactical Groups, doesn't it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beleg85 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 @Grigb thanks for reportng, btw. Do you happen to know if Wagner still controlled some of his own airforce? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVulture Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Just now, Beleg85 said: @Grigb thanks for reportng, btw. Do you happen to know if Wagner still controlled some of his own airforce? (I'm not grigb but...) no idea on that, but Wagner has apparently taken control of three or more airfields (at Rostov, Voronezh and Millerovo), so they may well have an airforce now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraft Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Beleg85 said: @Grigb thanks for reportng, btw. Do you happen to know if Wagner still controlled some of his own airforce? Fighterbomber claims Wagner is boarding choppers to make sure they do not target Wagner positions but overall personel do not know how to interact as no side has given specific hostile orders Edited June 24, 2023 by Kraft 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huba Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 They also reportedly took Buturlinovka, south of Voronezh, where Su-34 used to be stationed. IMO if they still have their pilots, there won't be any shortage of combat planes for them to fly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLeftFlank Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) What's Russian for 'schadenfreude'? Also, a lot of military aged civvies in that clip. Press 'em, Prigo.... Oops, and the Rostovytsi may have a point.... Edited June 24, 2023 by LongLeftFlank 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chuckdyke Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Meantime in Rostov-on-Don. Schadenfreude? злорадство (zloradstvo) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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