Huba Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) Nobody mentioned Tsushima yet, but I think the impact of what's going on will be at least comparable, it not much bigger Edited September 10, 2022 by Huba 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLeftFlank Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 26 minutes ago, Calamine Waffles said: Seems about right, I think. The third group remains uncommitted as far as we know. Great thread. And he's right about refugees creating additional problems.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calamine Waffles Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Happened to the French in 1940... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seedorf81 Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 33 minutes ago, Calamine Waffles said: If they are worth as much as Soviet PoWs during WWII, then I'm afraid you will need an infinite number of them for such an exchange to happen. Out of likes, so a written LIKE. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riptides Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Is the time right for Zelensky to communicate some sort of future to either quell the civilian exodus or turn them against Russia? I know I am way ahead of myself, but UA is out in front of expectations since the beginning of this madness. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLeftFlank Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Update map from MilitaryLand.net 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riptides Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 At the end, the military salute, the guy with his hand over his heart. Says it all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Capt Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-9 ISW report for yesterday dropped. Punchline is that the RA is not having a good week. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LongLeftFlank Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, The_Capt said: https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-9 ISW report for yesterday dropped. Punchline is that the RA is not having a good week. Schlottman using the 'C' word 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Capt Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, LongLeftFlank said: Schlottman using the 'C' word Heh, once again a word we - especially Steve- have been using here for months has found its way out into the world. I am betting mainstream media will start using it in 24-48 hours. I am not popping champagne until the UA pushes out a third axis towards Melitopol. If they can cut that line and divide the two theatres the entire western front will likely collapse back to Crimea - and maybe beyond. But let’s not get too far ahead of ourselves. Edited September 10, 2022 by The_Capt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beleg85 Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, LongLeftFlank said: Update map from MilitaryLand.net Very conservative and probably not actual...but it is better to be realist than optimist. Only good things await you that way. Some take-outs from reporter M.Ogdowski who spend years in Donbas and has good sources in UA military: - Indirect signs of offensive were known week before- hospitals were emptied and blood donated; ammo was stored in volunteers' buildings, like magazines, smaller warkshops etc. - There are rumours that other units, including Int.Legion are not yet commited on this front and may prepare something unexpected... -There are visible lossess, but predominantly from gunshots and not artillery fire for the first time in many months. -Still we should be wary not to be overoptimistic; sooner or later muscovites will manage to took control of this chaos. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calamine Waffles Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, The_Capt said: Heh, once again a word we - especially Steve- have been using here for months has found its way out into the world. I am betting mainstream media will start using it in 24-48 hours. I am not popping champagne until the UA pushes out a third axis towards Melitopol. If they can cut that line and divide the two theatres the entire western front will likely collapse back to Crimea - and maybe beyond. But let’s not get too far ahead of ourselves. They still have a lot of uncommitted reserves. And if Belarus decides it wants out of the war and stops messing around after Lukashenko sees Putin's army failing, then those forces in the north will be freed up too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huba Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 More news. Looks like there won't be any defense north of Schevchenkove after all, UA might just roll to the very border: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 51 minutes ago, Huba said: Nobody mentioned Tsushima yet, but I think the impact of what's going on will be at least comparable, it not much bigger Perhaps the Finns could have won the Winter war when the West had supported them as they support Ukraine now. Glad at least that lesson is learned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seedorf81 Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Calamine Waffles said: They still have a lot of uncommitted reserves. And if Belarus decides it wants out of the war and stops messing around after Lukashenko sees Putin's army failing, then those forces in the north will be freed up too. Izyum - St. Petersburg... only 1270 km. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beleg85 Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Huba said: More news. Looks like there won't be any defense north of Schevchenkove after all, UA might just roll to the very border: Yup, they seem to evacuate Vovchansk: https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1568590512256327688 Rybar having total meltdown... Like some teenage girl influencer. The Cause Edited September 10, 2022 by Beleg85 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, danfrodo said: Site I go to published this today in summary of latest in the war: "And really, this offensive is truly possible to all those Territorial Defense Force units stuck in trenches up and down the front for the past six months, getting slammed daily, oftentimes feeling abandoned. Their impossible heroism allowed Ukraines regular army units and 300,000 reserves to prepare in the country’s west, while Western allies equipped and trained them in proper war fighting techniques." While we're feeling good about progress it's good to remember who's months of suffering and deaths made this possible. This is some exaggregation about "TD in trenches" - all units sat in trenches and fought bloody, while new wave was trained. I would be say, new-formed "separate rifle battalions", which were attached to existing brigades or were used separately, suffered most hard. They had alsmost the same equipment as old territorial defense battalions of 2014. Not always they were motivated, because many of such infantrymen were taken from the streets in western Ukraine and single difference between them and LDPR mobiks was some better equipment (but mostly thanking to volunteers) and at least 2-3 weeks of training instead immediate sending to front. About the training - of "new wave", it had two parts. First in England or other Europen countries during 3 weeks and then a month in Ukraine. I don't know how theese troops were didtributed after finishing the training, because they alreday represented themselves as cohered military organisms. I doubt from they new brigades were formed. In "Frederikus-2" participated old known brigades. Edited September 10, 2022 by Haiduk 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grigb Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 After disastrous news more and more RU Nats turning to Girkin. Something like: I though he is crazy, but it seems crazy man was much smarter than everybody else. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calamine Waffles Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 It makes more sense to fold them into existing units, especially highly experienced ones, because training can only teach you so much. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Grigb said: After disastrous news more and more RU Nats turning to Girkin. Something like: I though he is crazy, but it seems crazy man was much smarter than everybody else. Girkin is just new "юродивый" %) In times of turmoils in such type of people other want to see "voice of God" ))) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLeftFlank Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Grigb said: After disastrous news more and more RU Nats turning to Girkin. Something like: I though he is crazy, but it seems crazy man was much smarter than everybody else. Yup, load up Z Klown Kar Komrades! Edited September 10, 2022 by LongLeftFlank 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grigb Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Just now, Haiduk said: Girkin is just new "юродивый" %) In times of turmoils in such type of people other want to see "voice of God" ))) Do not underestimate him. Bin Laden was not particularly gifted man. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Grigb Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Local soldier from Kherson says he expect to be hammered next. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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