Grisha Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Making a manual is such a thankless job I would suspect. You have to write it all down, then try and come up with possible interpretations for rules or mechanics, all in the interest of making the game more easily understood and intuitive. Battlefront, you guys have always put out stellar manuals, and I want to let you know it's greatly appreciated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFF Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Very good indeed, but one thing I don't like (and it's becoming a trend) is that a lot of text for the weapon entries are a direct copy & paste from Wikipedia. You end up then with inconsistencies like different designations for 7.92mm being listed for the various German rifles and MGs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrold Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Agreed. I have a friend who is on the fence regarding the game and I think the manual just might be the tipping point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanir Ausf B Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 ... until he sees the "horrible" UI 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 When Steve was writing up the manual I had suggested that after he finished he should sit on it for three days, then go back and delete every fifth word at random then read it again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 There is definitely improvement in the manual in that it gives more help to new players on "how to play" and also on the C2 system. Good job. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFF Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Agreed. I have a friend who is on the fence regarding the game and I think the manual just might be the tipping point. Ah, the typical internet sarcasm reply. I wouldn't expect anything less. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Chris has taken over the main manual writing duties from me a while ago and has been improving on the result steadily, and all around, but especially for new player tutorials and some of the more fuzzy areas like C2. Kudos indeed. You can't in fact even imagine what a tough job putting together a good relevant manual is for a game that's changing up to the very last minute before release... and after. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisND Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 I can't believe I forgot the MP44 section... doh. We'll get that added in for a patch or something. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrold Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 "Ah, the typical internet sarcasm reply. I wouldn't expect anything less." No actually I was being serious. My friend from work has played the CM:FI demo a couple times. He generally likes the challenge and does game, but his taste runs towards Company of Heroes for a recent title and Panzer General going all Old School. He finds the interface and camera a bit clunky so his learning curve is a bit steeper. I think this manual with the detailed yet easily comprehended explanations of game functions will even that out a bit. Combined with his general interest in the subject matter, this manual just might tip the balance for him to commit to mastering the game. Such cynicism...tsk tsk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangalor44 Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Don't worry bout that one chris hell your keepin us alive son.Enjoy your broadcasts.i played coh for 4 yrs was a beta tester for halftracks battle of the bulge mod.Best one for that game for sure.To be honest it donest compare to cm.Everything they want to implement is already here in cm promise you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFF Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 "Ah, the typical internet sarcasm reply. I wouldn't expect anything less." No actually I was being serious. My friend from work has played the CM:FI demo a couple times. He generally likes the challenge and does game, but his taste runs towards Company of Heroes for a recent title and Panzer General going all Old School. He finds the interface and camera a bit clunky so his learning curve is a bit steeper. I think this manual with the detailed yet easily comprehended explanations of game functions will even that out a bit. Combined with his general interest in the subject matter, this manual just might tip the balance for him to commit to mastering the game. Such cynicism...tsk tsk You have my sincere apologies, then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdbf01 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I want to add my voice to the kudos as well. I've written a tech manual or two and they can be easy compared with something like this. Nice work indeed (and again!). The CM manuals are some of the best I've seen for any endeavour. That's saying something. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Thanks guys! ChrisND and Moon deserve all the credit for the improvements (OK, I did some work too ). This is a result of two things: 1. We no longer have to write huge gobs of new or modified stuff for the core engine. This has freed up time to rework older stuff and make sure newer stuff is as accurate as possible. I can't tell you how hard it is to write a manual for features that haven't even been coded yet, not to mention play tested! 2. We have ChrisND onboard and that gives us the extra eyes and tapping fingers needed to get the work done Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFF Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Steve, any comment on things like the M91/30 being called an "M30" and Soviet ranks being in the chart that shouldn't be there? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFF Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Steve, any comment on things like the M1891/30 being called an "M30" and Soviet ranks being in the chart that shouldn't be there? Bump ... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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