Kraft

Can we please continue to whine about the fact that F&R is not out yet?

@The_MonkeyKingThank you very much!

armata can be anywhere in the world in less than 7 hours
 
only hato fanboy with malicious intent would hide this crucial fact

How can we discuss something like this?
 
There's no information on Armata armor.

^ Yeah, and then we can read news like this:
 
Venäjän armeijan uusi taisteluvaunu Armata T-14 kestää sen suunnittelijoiden mukaan kaikkien modernien taisteluvaunujen tykkien, panssaritorjunnan ohjusten ja kranaatinheittimien ammusten osumat. "Panssarointi Armatassa takaa suojauksen kaikista moderneista ja luvassa olevilta panssariammuksilta 120 mm kaliiberilla," sanoi Armatan suunnittelusta vastaavan instituutin tiedottaja TASS-uutisille lisäten, että panssarointi suojaa torjuntaohjuksilta ja kranaatinheittimiltä 120-150 mm kaliibereissa. Suojaus koskee myös ylhäältä tulevia osumia, joihin kohdistetaan mm. taisteluhelikopterien ammukset. Toim. huom.Suunnittelusta vastaava instituutti ei paljastanut TASS:n uutisen perusteella mitään siitä salaisuudesta, joka on voimistanut Armatan ja samalla mahdollisesti koko Venäjän panssaroinnit uudelle tasolle. Vuonna 2013 Venäjän armeija ilmoitti, että uudet boorijauheesta valmistetut nanopanssarit on kehitetty ja lupasi "mullistuksen vuonna 2015". Saksassa on julkaistu raportti, jonka mukaan modernisoituihin Venäjän tankkeihin ei enää riitä Leopard 2-taisteluvaunujen iskukyky ja kestää ainakin vuoteen 2017 ennen kuin uusiin ammusvaatimusten haasteisiin kyetään vastaamaan vaunuvalmistajan toimesta. Venäjä on vastikään keskittänyt ensimmäisen testiosastonsa Armata-vaunuja Arktiselle prikaatille Kuolan niemimaalla. Taisteluosaston voidaan odottaa olevan jo parhaillaan pohjoisella alueella.
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Russian army in the new battleground carriage Armata T-14 takes its designers, according to all the modern battle wagons cannons, anti-tank missiles and mortar projectiles hits. "Armor Armatassa to guarantee protection of all the modern and the like olevilta armor-piercing 120 mm caliber," said the Design Armatan Institute spokesman TASS news, adding that the armor protection of missiles and mortars from 120-150 mm caliber. Security is also a top future hits, which are subject to mm. combat helicopters ammunition. Ed. points. Planning Institute of failure to disclose TASS's news on the basis of any of the mystery, which has intensified Armatan and at the same time possibly in the whole of the Russian armor to a new level. In 2013, the Russian military announced that the new nano-armor made of boron have been developed and promised "revolution in 2015". Germany has published a report according to which no longer enough modernized Russian tanks Leopard 2 battle wagons in good shape and will last at least until 2017 before the new projectile requirements to meet present challenges by the wagon manufacturer. Russia has recently focused its first test department Armata-wagons Arctic brigade in the Kola Peninsula. Battle Group can be expected to already be in the northern region.
 
http://www.verkkomedia.org/news.asp?mode=10&id=13536

Cheers guys been watching Krause Youtube as well. Thanks for the help :-)

Huh, you have a natural right to force the Ukrainians to do what Russia wants? No wonder you have a hard time feeling this is one sided. Cause you are on the wrong side of history.

Anyway the point of this thread was to discuss a possible new offensive, not to spend time worrying about bruised Russian feelings about pursuing politics with the ham fisted tactics of the last century. I am afraid you won't find much sympathy here.

2:00-1:54
 

 
A chopper scores a hit, but I'm not sure what has exploded.
 

 
APS stops a missile. This will be a common theme.
 

 
I moved my mechanized ambush party out of the woods and a bit closer to the crest of the hill.
 

 
Can you spot the sniper team?
 

 
Because this Bradley did, although I never make visual contact with it.
 

 
My ambush party in the treeline spots an Abrams.
 

 
Said Abrams begins to move towards the gap in the treeline and appears to have some company.

I then have three mechanized infantry platoons in the town itself, along with some AA assets. I have split all my squads and equipped everyone with as much anti-tank weaponry as I can. I intend to draw my opponent into the town and fight there. There's really no point in engaging M1's head-on, especially with RPG equipped infantry. I have primarily deployed my anti-tank missiles on the far bank to get flank shots and keep them out of sight. As we shall see, my decision to leave the treeline at the top of the last photo essentially undefended will prove somewhat interesting.
 

 
On the far side of the river, I have spotters, mortars, AA units and one Khrizantemas.
 

 

 
I hope to hit fast and hard with artillery and choppers right of the bat. I have called in all my attack helicopters and heavy artillery. 
 

 

 
The first turn sees artillery shells start landing, some helicopters buzzing about and a couple of spotting contacts.

After years of CM games, I figure it's about time for me to actually do one of these. I'm playing as the Russians against a regular opponent, who has done quite well against me in recent battles in CMRT and CMFI. He is however somewhat inexperience with CMBS (that's why I'm the Russians). We're playing Bridgehead at Kharalyk, which along with Lights, Camera, Action is my favourite CMBS battle. The battle is currently about 20 turns in, but I'm going to start from the beginning and focus on what went wrong and what I would do differently a second time around. I will usually turn off icons for screenshots, but they can make things much easier to follow.
 
Initial Setup and the First Turn
 
The map is great and feels like a real landscape. However, it is a landscape that I must defend against an enemy that at least initially outguns me by a wide margin, although he may not outnumber me. I have reinforcements arriving in 30 minutes, so my focus must be to delay my opponent by misdirection, ambushes and flank attacks. 
 

 
Here's a view to the north showing almost all my units at initial setup. A few mortars and AA assets are not shown. The bulk of my infantry and their vehicles are located in the town.
 

 
I have some recon assets forward from my main positions. I have set up an ambush laid to hopefully attack the rear of vehicles that have passed through the woods. I have a few sniper teams placed well forward to keep an eye on things. I also placed some empty foxholes in the treelines. The intention is that my opponent will be forced to take time and clear these.
 

 
I also have a mobile ambush posse located in the woods on the northeast section of the map. It consists of two Khrizantemas and two T-90s. As we shall see, things don't go quite according to plan. They're a bit difficult to see here, but trust me, they're there. I also have another T-90 on the far side of the map (unfortunately it was stuck just outside the setup zone and I couldn't move it. Probably would change that in the editor if I was doing things again). This T-90 will immediately withdraw back down the hill.

Oh yeah it has nothing to do with the Russian backed invasion of Crimea and Eastern Ukraine, and the continuing war cutting the country in half.
 
Nope none at all, infact its the Americans fault!

In terms of looks, my favorite is the Leopard 2:

Some political information: the minister of defense is currently under pressure for 'inadvequate' weapon system in the Bundeswehr (as was the minister before her and the one before, too - that minister position is known here as 'ejection seat'). Currently its about the G36 and its problems (which the press got awfully wrong).
The article in 'Die Welt' is also quite uninformed and tries to hook in with the general bad press about the ministry. It is also a pitch by a former ministry member to get DU munitions for the Leopard (DU is non-PC here).
 
Bad article - ignore.

Actually this: "Main point of article: Geman Leopard 2 tanks can not defeat modern Russian armour (T-80, T-90) with their obsolete tungsten carbide-based APFSDS rounds." is not 100% accurate. The article quotes the german Ministry of Defense saying: "es kann im Einzelfall nicht ausgeschlossen werden, dass es moderne Panzerungen gibt, die der Wirkung der gegenwärtigen Panzerbordmunition des Leopard 2 widerstehen",  which directly translated means: "it cant be outruled that in isolated cases some contemporary armor can resist the effectes of the Leopard 2s current ammunition.". This is a much more careful statement and it significantly lesses Die Welts generalized statement that the Leopard 2 cant penetrate T-80s and T-90s. It is more like "the Leopard 2 cant reliably kill T-80s and T-90s in all thinkable tactical situations".
 
It also needs to be noted that the germans use 2 different guns on their Leopard 2s: the 120mm L/44 on the A5, which is the same gun the M1 Arbams uses, and the 120mm/L55 which is used in the Leopard 2 A6 and A7. While the 120mm L/44 with tungsten core ammunation is indeed inferior to the US M256 using DU sabots, the L/55 is about equivalent in kinetic energy deliverd to the target, even with tungsten sabots.
 
According to Wikipedia (1) the german army has currently 232 Leopard 2s of which 125 are A5s, the rest are A6 (87) and A7s (20). The article probably is referring to the planned introcution of another 100 A6/A7 (modernized A4s) Leopard 2s which is supposed to start in 2017 (2).
 
(1)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_modern_equipment_of_the_German_Army#cite_note-7
 
(2)
http://www.panzerbaer.de/types/bw_kpz_leopard_2_a6m-a.htm
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32257543

I always worry about being a Pat Buchanan.  Not in the political alignment sense nearly as much as continuing to exist and insisting on making noise long after I have passed from relevancy.  
 
Think we're pretty past the point of high possibility of war.  Russia's hand has gone about as far as it can reasonably go, western interests are not threatened to the degree that more NATO exercises and modest military funding boosts won't smooth over.  Something stupid could still happen, but it's not any worse than any given day in 1985 or something.  

When it's Kettler linking to the article.

It is fricken Pat Buchanan for crying out loud. Since when did any of his prognostications earn an exclamation point?

Steve should take this thread out of its misery

Steve should take this thread out of its misery

Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here

Wicky,
 
Interesting, if they cut back, wonder if they are going to put the resources into  AVF robotic support type tanks and supplies instead.  
As far as Crimea goes, I am baffled as to why everyone in Europe seems to be on Flouride or some sort of relaxant or they are being extorted, bribed, threatened into submission.  They had to know that Russia would want all of that land they lost, back.  So, why did they not see this ahead of time?  They need to realize  all the Mafias are ridding us off and are not to be trusted.  They are going to take Kiev next, I feel.  Why, because that is where I saw the Mafia at the CERN laboratory, I do have that picture if anyone is interested.  They intend to have control of this.  It is more that just a piece of technology.  It is their ticket to ride out of here or bring in reinforcements.  They think, if, they move a CERN laboratory closer to Putin, they will have mafia protection.  The last CERN failed (Swiss Zionist Mafia).  This new CERN is very expensive and many governments are being bullied,  to pay for it.   Russian planes have been flying over England recently, bulling them.  Russian has spies in MI-6,  London, forgot one of their names, go to Abel Danger.  This Russian mafia and other mafias in U.S., Australia, and more are blackmailing European (Recently Angela Merkel's, Germans, Poland, and other  world leaders by crashing their airplanes, school children even, using the Boeing uninterrupted Auto-Pilot +  Air Tranquilizer  (ATI)  to tranquilize pilots, crew, and passengers to terrorize countries into pouring money into the CERN Laboratory in Ukraine and other land grabs.   A list of flights where they used the BUAP + ATI  to force planes down for revenge to governments who failed to comply.  Adam Air 574, Kenya Airway 507, Speedbird 38, Turkish 1951, Colgan 3407, Air France 447, Air Afrikiyah 771, Sukhoi Superjet, MH370, MH17, QZ8501, and now the one downed in French Alps.  There is a reason why the co-pilot had steady breathing, he was out cold.  They own the mainstream news, so you will be reading from their mafia owned script writers.
 
So, if we want to make life easier, now, and later, we need to take Putin seriously, one tank in Mariupol is not enough to  stop their advancing toward Kiev.  Check my sources, meanwhile,  ensure pilots have warning systems in the cockpit when the air is foul, extra oxygen to prevent the plane from being droned.  For more on this see Abeldanger.net, on Livestream as Abel danger.   Around 1995, one of the airlines in Europe filed a suit for 800 million because their 747's airplane technologists for Lafthunsa, Germanwings is an affiliate, (recent France crash ,pay back) for filing this suit where technicians, found extra stuff in a electric equipment  compartment (E&E).   They filed, to get Boeing to pay for having to remove the components on all of the jets they purchased from Boeing.  To protect Boeing and us, these need to be removed immediately.  New York Bronx, Base 1 Technologies Clinton aides activated the patented devices BUAP + ATI to kill revenge Yvonne Selke, a Pentagon spy in the satellite mapping branch of the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency.  This is how they  revenge after being fired from key positions or to kill a whistleblower or to kill  Yvonne Salik.  We provided Ukraine with satellite imagery because Putin had control of Ukraines therefore always had the upper hand.  The mafia is trying to intimidate the Pentagon so we will stop sharing intelligence with Ukraine.
 
Let us put an end to mafia controlled banking, markets, and manufacturers exploiting humanity.  If they can blackmail our Pentagon, world governments, we have no representation.  Find out more, we have to wake up,  Airbus, FAA, JAA all know about this, so why aren't they doing anything about it, they are complicit.  Soon,  people who don't know about it,  will.   Covering up by killing off any whistleblowers exposing this, is a very dark world.  Not the world I want to hand over to my children. 
http://new.livestream.com/abeldanger

Mmmm Korean tank from at least 2008 ( http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/11/205_34719.html) conveniently jaunts in time and space to the present day half-way across the planet - chances nil

John, you really have no idea what a savage flaming campaign is. What Wicky has written about you is something I would never, ever characterize as savage. 

Wicky,
 
You've been all over me of late, to include your deliberate baiting of me, despite numerous direct requests from me that you stop doing so, in a thread I started specifically to appease others who were complaining that I'd made too many posts. You knew full well when you did it that I wasn't allowed to so much as mention the things you brought up. Additionally it's readily demonstrable that you've been on me for years. I called you no name whatsoever. Rather, I addressed the behavior of both you and LukeFF. It's very ironic that you savage me over and over again with no thought whatsoever for me, my feelings, or even the effects your savage campaign has had on me and my creaky and fragile health. I'm not supposed to be stressed, you know this, yet you deliberately do things which cause me great stress. If you ever said something about your family and sensitivities related thereto, I must've missed it. That you should complain about being insulted after what you've been doing to me for a very long time is rich beyond words. Lying about me is okay with you. Slandering me is okay with you. Deliberately mischaracterizing me is okay with you. Conducting character assassination of me is okay with you. This set of observations must be true, because you've done, and continue to do, all those things and more. I've done everything but stand on my head to get you to behave appropriately toward me, but you won't do it. You might back off briefly, but that's all. Yet you're demonstrably capable of being socially appropriate with other Forumites. But you insist on coming at me like a rabid dog.
 
Now, let me set you straight. Steve never gave me an infraction. I got one from Moon over a year ago because you, in your typical perverse style, went over to a place I must not name, came back, made some outrageous set of accusations based on that, and I, placed once again in a situation in which I was under yet another vile attack from you, sought to defend myself by showing what was really said by me and got so worked up I inadvisedly posted a link to a certain place. That got me the Moon rocket, so to speak, because of the rule prohibiting commercial links. I worked my way eventually out of that. Steve has asked me in the past not to start posts on certain hot topics after you et al. went nuclear time and again in response to them. Nor have you ever let me off the hook for several technical mistakes I made regarding V-2 installations, mistakes I've several times publicly admitted. It has served you well in your endless efforts to discredit and humiliate me. You even went so far as to wreck a 2012 CMA thread in which several of us had a great discussion going on Russian lasers, one in which there was a serious military-technical discussion being conducted. Since any topic along the lines you know quite well automatically led to enormous Forum upheaval from you et al.,, Steve, in my estimation, decided to avoid future board explosions by not having certain things discussed. That's his prerogative. As the old SEAL Team Six saying goes "Thou hast not to like it, thou just hath to do it." Which is what I've been doing ever since.
 
Thus, I am in full compliance with the Forum Rules, and I rigorously honor Steve's request. Additionally, and with no rule existing requiring me to do so, I'm not allowed to so much as mention a certain endeavor of mine quite well known to you.  That's from ChrisND, I deem it unfair, but there's nothing I can do about it. So now, I'm under the Forum Rules plus two other strictures. I got the warning because, and again not from any rule violation, I dared to state that information of a category I'm not allowed to state anymore (unless, per Steve's statement, I publicly provide my sources) confirmed a certain widely viewed YT vid. Again, I violated no  Forum Rules and was shocked to get a Warning out of the blue. Thus, you go around breaking Forum Rules like twigs, go way out of your way to conduct a broad array of prohibited direct and indirect ad hominem attacks against me, make my life, both on the Forums and at home, very stressful and unpleasant. Because of you and your (insert strong pejorative here) ilk, I'm now forced to operate as though I'm walking in pitch black, on thin ice. Heavily mined thin ice. Practically afraid to sneeze. Unless and until someone at BFC starts subjecting you and certain others to the same standards which have practically stifled me for some time now, you get to operate without a care in the world while I, despite disabilities, a brain injury from which I'm recuperating, and a bunch of other things, have to always exercise profound care what I over say and how I say it. Else, I'll be gone, not you and your brethren. Which, I have to say, very much appears to be your real objective in assailing me the way you do. 
 
Frankly, Wicky, for you to come at me as an injured, aggrieved innocent party is like the boy who murdered everyone in his family and when arrested, brought to trial and convicted, threw himself on the mercy of the Court. Why? On the grounds he was now an orphan! You have led a very charmed life on the Forums, and by any reasonable review of the vast evidence of your ongoing malefactions, ought long ago, in my considered view, to have been banished for good. Why you're still here is a great mystery to me.
 
Regards,
 
John Kettler 

FFS the pompous JK soap opera rolls on
 
Care to explain why you've invoked my name when I haven't even posted in this thread? and then procedeed to insult me in a derogatory way using Russian slang - especially as my family were made refugees due to Russian invasion.
 
Funny as to what you accuse me of you've received your infractions for committing them already yourself.
 
Do you fully comprehend and appreciate why you've recieved your infractions from Steve et al, if so why do you baulk and rail against them?