AttorneyAtWar

If your view was more nuanced then "The refugees are the reason the German military is in bad shape" I would absolutely agree with that quote. Since I haven't seen any other kind of reasoning from you it doesn't apply, sorry. Is that part of the problem though? Sure if you think social programs and the like that go to them and the rest of the population should instead be spent on the military.

Yes the refugees stole all of the money from the Bundeswehr in the span of 4-5 years, this definitely isn't part of a chronic problem that's existed for far longer then that. It must be nice to be able to scapegoat one decision as the reason for all of a country's failings. It certainly has nothing to do with Germany's military history and all that that entails.

Yes the refugees stole all of the money from the Bundeswehr in the span of 4-5 years, this definitely isn't part of a chronic problem that's existed for far longer then that. It must be nice to be able to scapegoat one decision as the reason for all of a country's failings. It certainly has nothing to do with Germany's military history and all that that entails.

Yes the refugees stole all of the money from the Bundeswehr in the span of 4-5 years, this definitely isn't part of a chronic problem that's existed for far longer then that. It must be nice to be able to scapegoat one decision as the reason for all of a country's failings. It certainly has nothing to do with Germany's military history and all that that entails.

Yes the refugees stole all of the money from the Bundeswehr in the span of 4-5 years, this definitely isn't part of a chronic problem that's existed for far longer then that. It must be nice to be able to scapegoat one decision as the reason for all of a country's failings. It certainly has nothing to do with Germany's military history and all that that entails.

Yes the refugees stole all of the money from the Bundeswehr in the span of 4-5 years, this definitely isn't part of a chronic problem that's existed for far longer then that. It must be nice to be able to scapegoat one decision as the reason for all of a country's failings. It certainly has nothing to do with Germany's military history and all that that entails.

About Germany, isn't the whole point that it was to be neutered after the war, so that it wouldn't become a danger to Europe once more? And as a result of that neutering the German people today are culturally not very militaristic. 
So, in a democracy, if the people are not militaristic, why would they vote for politicians who would take their tax money and spend it on the army?
There's lots of other things you can do with taxes, that are better for the average person. Or at least are felt more directly than paying for having loads of tanks rumbling around on exercises in some distant field.

My post was a joke... sort of.  Actually it is reality, but it seems reality is a joke....

Well...that was something.
 

Something tells me that if I was a Ukranian soldier and my superior briefed us by saying "Our artillery has created cover in the open field we'll be crossing by blowing holes into the ground" I wouldn' be to "enthused" about the attack. My second question would probably be "Sir have they thought about firing shells at the enemy?"

The Russians must also have this problem because they seem to have stopped as well.

Something tells me that if I was a Ukranian soldier and my superior briefed us by saying "Our artillery has created cover in the open field we'll be crossing by blowing holes into the ground" I wouldn' be to "enthused" about the attack. My second question would probably be "Sir have they thought about firing shells at the enemy?"

Something tells me that if I was a Ukranian soldier and my superior briefed us by saying "Our artillery has created cover in the open field we'll be crossing by blowing holes into the ground" I wouldn' be to "enthused" about the attack. My second question would probably be "Sir have they thought about firing shells at the enemy?"

Something tells me that if I was a Ukranian soldier and my superior briefed us by saying "Our artillery has created cover in the open field we'll be crossing by blowing holes into the ground" I wouldn' be to "enthused" about the attack. My second question would probably be "Sir have they thought about firing shells at the enemy?"

Something tells me that if I was a Ukranian soldier and my superior briefed us by saying "Our artillery has created cover in the open field we'll be crossing by blowing holes into the ground" I wouldn' be to "enthused" about the attack. My second question would probably be "Sir have they thought about firing shells at the enemy?"

Something tells me that if I was a Ukranian soldier and my superior briefed us by saying "Our artillery has created cover in the open field we'll be crossing by blowing holes into the ground" I wouldn' be to "enthused" about the attack. My second question would probably be "Sir have they thought about firing shells at the enemy?"

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Good thread.
I've come into this quite late.

I've seen and read all the stuff you are referring to John about US vets , and how  they are dying off, being treated poorly.
Read it for years. Quite saddening.
An old colleague , A Dr I used to work with here in NZ. He used to work for a defense contractor in Saudi.
At the end of the Gulf War, him and his team of Drs had some high level US brass come in.
They asked about reported symptoms there - gulf war syndrome. Any one have reported symptoms?.
They said no none that they were aware of, and they asked was there any medical evidence they could have to look at and see what was going on to help them better understand this.
The US Lady looked to another military colleague and said all destroyed? And the guy nodded yes.
They were told the 000s of files on this were all lost and unavailable and sorry couldn't help them then they left.
 The Dr concerned said it sounded dodgey as hell.  They were of the opinion they were trying to cover up loose ends and get rid of evidence.
 
Dr Craig Paul Roberts pretty much summed up this war with Russia and Ukraine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoAH0VXbwfU&feature=youtu.be
I respect his comments regarding US foreign policy and current economic issues
In his comments he also noted how it started - with western meddling.
He noted how the Russians keep casualties down with troop rotations etc and that is of relevance to this thread.
he talked about all that and the ghosting of units. Quite interesting.
Its worth listening to.
We all know Russia is involved. They had to be. They were simply protecting there country and economy.
I would be if I was Russia.
 
The Russian military have made physical plaques / commemorations to battles in the Ukraine but have not listed where the battles where etc - its like a place holder.
When this is all over they will honor the dead.
 
Also I wonder your thoughts John as you may have been around the scene at the time Roberts was assistant treasurer to Reagan.
I found his comments enlightening as to the nuclear issues and modified treaties today the US has allegedly cancelled in an aggressive fashion.
I respect his economic views. They are quite realistic. 
What did you think on his comments from a military perspective?   etc 
He talks about the dealings with Israel and drones and the Georgia Crisis  in exchange for Irans missiles systems codes? legit?
I see Israel PM is in Russia or just was over Syria.
I  suspect there is some link. Obviously regional defense concerns.
 
As to loss of life - a comment on the shot down air liner MH-17.
http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/which-airlines-fly-over-ukraine-how-can-you-find-out-your-flight-route/story-fnizu68q-1226996428536
The Ukraine is responsible for there airspace. They should share blame irrespective. 
It was absolutely irresponsible to allow any international flights thru a war zone with flying aircraft etc shooting at one another. But its common place generally as height is the safety margin for the aircraft concerned as per the link i noted. I think its kinds nuts but how the air flight business works.  Ukraine should have perhaps said to the UN its too dangerous and banned flights
Few air liners are flying over Iraqi warzones. The British have decided to stay in there. British Air ways.
A few have pulled out. They have shorter range air to air missile launchers so less risk i guess and no air to air attacks in general.

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