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Most of CM maybe is played solitaire. I wonder what the ratio of games sold to guys who play PBEM or other on line is. Pretty small maybe, I dont know. Has BFC done a survey, they should know how many games they have sold and there are only about 4 places to get games online. It shouldnt be that hard to calculate.

No, just because I joined in Dec does not mean I havent read the posts here. I have in fact read them off and on for about 2 years now. Supposition is a funny thing eh?

I agree with Dorosh, it sounds great. Well done guys I cant wait to see it. Just remember its a game and we want to play it.

Yes it does, he is so negative in almost every post, i stopped reading his so called advice ages ago.

Forgot to mention, Amazon Uk or game UK, $40 for all 3.

Oh before you do check out the CManthology from CDV, avaialable in UK for £20, thats all three gmes for about $40.

Although I would say this as well. BFC, just dont get involved any more untill at least the Demo comes out. Let them bray and Winge. Bloody hell, ask the grogs to give you a thousand dollars each and say youll include what they want, see what happens then. And finally, most guys dont want a perfect wing mirror on their kubelwagen, most guys want a great playable game. GET REAL.

Jeez I never realised until today what a Grog Wingr Dorosh is! At the end of the day I agree with Steve, stop thinking about the past. If BFC make a new gae and you dont like it, go out and buy something else, or even design your own! BFC dont owe anyone anything. Thanks guys for the great games I play no, some aspects may be imperfect, but, AI will never be perfect, graphics will never be perfect either. For gods sake, get a grip here. Its a game. If BFC listened to only Grogs they would never make a penny. BFC I trust you to take us to the next level. If you dont I will look elsewhere. Get real here people, its a game...... Not real life.... Let them bring it out and then vote with you money...

Exactly, but the 44-45 NW Europe units could have been, and by including the missing units in a patch, or add on even. They could have completed the circle, and made more money at the same time. I for one wuld buy an addon etitled CMAK - NW Europe 44-45. Im sure others are the same.

Those grant BTW are they moddled right, I never seem to loose with them?

If we are getting correct here. I own the CDV versions and they go CM, CM2 - barberossa to berlin and CM3 Africa Corps. CDV also sell CM Anthology featuring all three. It must still be a popular title here in the UK as on Sat it was number 12 in the game charts...... An interseting aside is the price, they seem much cheaper here than in US. You can get CM for £2.99. The other two for under £10 and the Anthology for under £20. I take it CDV are not allowed to sell in US, but what about Canada etc? Or does BFC geta cut anyway regardless? And once patched the games are no diffrent to play either.

Ive just read the whole thread here. Wow you guys can get worked up about trivia? I love it! being realistic for 30 secs, I dont think id like to have seen combat in WW2 as anything, War is just not nice, in any combat unit your chace of surviving unscathed is not high. I suspect most of the guys posting here, if thrown into their unit of choice in WW2 right now, wouldnt even last the training regime, never mind combat. LOL, good discussion that has somehow slanted way off topic. Me Id be a Posite!

Looks good, site still down though today at 1330 GMT.

CM just does not accurrately relflect women in combat. Nor civillians! Nver mind about civillian women on Horses.

Im sure with the inclusion of anything from the dawn of time to Sci-fi that has been stated the games will have to be called something diffrent. Maybe TCS (Tac Combat Simulator). Then we could have TCS-Ancient War, TCS-Normandy, TCS-Mars etc etc....

Yes bu many KT units were switched between front so unless your so mad as to track engine numbers you will never really know.

Couldnt agree more. You guys can debate the fin oints of grogness all day. I agree with the above. PBEM maybe doesnt cut it in the world of reality. I would have thought a true grog would hate pbem as having unlimited time to plan a 1 minute move is plain unrealistic. The whole game right now is based around a company sized battle most often and many guys play 60 minutes! Sheesh you average company sized intense fight is over way quicker than that. By taking away PBEM, CMx2 may actually be getting towards the real deal, imagine, no more playing guys who take 5 days to plot their 1 minute turn, where in real life they have about 30 seconds. We want more realism, well yes time management is probably more realistic than most other features if you take away PBEM. Im not saying mmake it RTS style, just say 1 minute per 1000 points max, so you play a 5000 pt Qb and apart from set up, you get 5 mins. I tend to play that now in IP and will flatly refuse when an opponent demands unlimited timer.

Er none in Italy is right, maybe the question could be asked in the CMBB forum? I know they shifted them between front so a genuine percentage may not be available.

'So you're saying that BTS is stupid to actually communicate with their long-term fan base?' Thats not what I meant. What I meant was that, yes its valid to ask an already established fan base in one game what they would like to see in future games. However I presume thet BF have also marketed non CMx1 playing customers etc. What it boils down too is that speculation is just being fuelled about the new game right now. Unless BF can give specifics about the game (and they state they cannot) Why not just say, wait for the new game to arrive. Its obvious that this game will be diffrent and the engine is being designed to be mush more than a WW2 sim. So the target audience will be diffrent in some ways. Im not a long term member here so I dont know if this was done in previous iterations of CM. Im just saying, why fuel speculation. Lets wait and see. If we dont like it, hey we dont need to buy it and Im sure there will always be something else out there to buy. I think we are lucky they interact with us as much as they do now. In reality I meet a lot of CM players in varous sites and the vast majority never come in here. I find in here a hard core few that post reular. If I were designing a new game Id certainly like to aim it at more ppl that come here and I say good luck to them. I for one am quite prepared to wait, after all this thing may be a year away yet. [ February 12, 2005, 10:20 AM: Message edited by: GSX ]

I have just sat here and read all of the CMx2 threads with interest. laughed at a few posts, even moaned at 1. I think from my point, the whole debate is pretty much useless. The Grogs are definately the wrong people to ask what they want from the game. They prefer to have the wing mirror of a Kubelwagen moddled correctly over game play. In essence they want everything. What BF has done with CM has been excellent and is in a niche of 1. At the end of the day I like to PBEM, if its not in the next game, I will either, get used to it or go back to playing the ones I do now. As has been mentioned before, its BF Ass on the line here, they bring out the new game and it fails, well they suffer. Personnaly if I was at BF right now Id stop joining in the speculation forums and tell everyone to wait for the demo. Like they say, its only a game and if you dont like the product, go somewhere else.

Rumblings of Me Just one small question. I signed up as No 60. Informed some friends that there were still 12 places left. So how come when they signed up after me I end up as a reserve and they are in? I presume you took all entrants plus reserves before allocating slots then? Please dont take this the wrong way - its meant to be a WINGE!

Its a pity they didnt, I really think they would have got more sales out of it to commit to the whole of Western Europe 44-45. Plenty of space on that 2nd disk after all.

I just dont think the samples of any other than maybe the ones played over 20 times can give a representative picture of balance or not. The trouble with this as i see it is the results of games can be scewed by many factors. If a scenario had been played 4 times but twice by the same player, who played the same side and got a bigger winning margin, its not a pointer to balance, but experience etc. Again the experience levels of players would have to be taken into account. Its a very usefull pointer to have but Im not sure how representative it really is. Unless of course really large samples are used.

While I agree with the pros and cons of this argument I have to say that if you read all the threads on CM on this site, we could respond with Read the manual for most questions. I have trawled through a lot of threads and if the answer was this all the time there would hardly be any banter. I have frequently read the manual, but reading hundreds of pages on my pc is tedious. I have learned more from posters here than I ever did trawling through the manual. It is especially true when all I have is a PDF, not easy to read that as you play. However I do tend to agree with Junks last post too. Caught in the middle me.

You know all I want from the next line is upgraded graphics quality and the representation of individuals something akin to the Warhammer 40K game my son plays. That will do me nicely thanks.... [ February 01, 2005, 01:21 PM: Message edited by: GSX ]