slysniper

What' s your age and occupational background that you think you are qualified to tell others what kind of suggestions they can make and not make on a internet forum ?
Do you know the word "Gedankenspiel" ?

But if its a serious question:
Iam 17 and my occupational background is that i live in my parents basement...

Wiggum15 : Is this the new definition for jerk, or do I look under Stupid in the Dictionary.
 
Never mind I think I found it in both.
 
Actually, I think the whole thread is funny, because he has some valid points but he cannot come to grips with the fact that he is asking something that just is not possible with whom he is wishing it from.
 
BF is not doing or appears it will be doing to produce games in the way or method you are hoping for. (Can you get that through your thick skull - Wiggum)
 
Now, my real interest is, if you hate the outdated, not to your liking aspects of the game so much - Why do you keep buying them. (Stop with that lie and trying to think we believe you- the answer is, you would not buy them if they did not fill some of your needs).
So in other words you are ranting like a 3 year old and we are ranting back at you like your 4 year old sister. (That sums up this thread so far)
 
But when you do ever find that game you are wishing for and think you can Rant about to make happen, which appears you will need to find somewhere else. Please or please let me know, because I would love to have it also. ( I just know better than to think I will see that type of improvements in a timeframe that matters from this group of guys).
 
Really I just appreciate what we have, even with all the imperfections. Which Wiggum has so willing wanted to point out for us once again. Thanks for the reminder

@ c3k

Oh come on.
You argument is the same as sburke's.

- BFC needs more time
Really ?!
8 Years should be enough to work on the basic CMx2 flaws and shortcomings and add game changing new features.

- BFC has no money
If i look at what some Indie Devs are pulling of at the moment i cant let that count

- BFC is a small team
There is another small wargame developing team from Kharkov, Ukraine...just look at what they are able to do !

- The game is the best tactical battle simulator anyway
Actually i would say no it is not. And i think sooner then later BFC will realize that they got much to comfortable in their little warm niche.

AND WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD NOT DO THAT.

Lets see, I have a model right here I can adjust and it might take 20 hours, No it is much better to start from scratch and spend 200 hours on it.

Way to show us all how intelligent you are.

No one is going to create anything from scratch when they can make adjustments to previous work that can be reused.

What world do you come from

AND WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD NOT DO THAT.

Lets see, I have a model right here I can adjust and it might take 20 hours, No it is much better to start from scratch and spend 200 hours on it.

Way to show us all how intelligent you are.

No one is going to create anything from scratch when they can make adjustments to previous work that can be reused.

What world do you come from

Arma - I sure have
 
And plenty other main line games.
 
And if you really want team work, there is ways to find a few guys to work with you so that you can go in and slaughter all the independent fools running around as a clown force.
 
But until the game allows one life and one life only, and when you die you get electric shock treatments for the next month 24 times daily and you pay $1000.00 for being killed in the game.
 
Then and only then will people maybe act a little more like they do when their own real freaken life is in danger.
 
 
These are games the mimic life, they are illusions of what is real, but they do not bring you the real life experience or if somehow they did. No body would want to use them. Because they provide entertainment, the real life stuff is not much of that at all.

I don't think sburke's sentiment is out of place either and I can certainly see how he could arrive at his question.

Take me for example, I have been playing CM since the spring of 2001, however I seldom post to the forum. On the rare occasion I do, it's almost always the simple task of thanking a modder/BFC, reporting a bug or asking a technical question, but man I am infatuated with this game.

My first video wargame experience was Combat for the Atari 2600 and yes, my friends and I would gob at the colored rectangles and muse aloud, "wouldn't it be cool if they really looked like Shermans!"  It's also safe to say we were the only seven year olds in our small town that could tell you the diameter of a WWII era bazooka rocket. Merciful god - what glorious little freaks we were.

Bookend the joystick and button mashing sessions in those formative years with endless firefights among 1/72 scale Screaming Eagles and the injection moulded Wehrmacht and it isn't too hard to project how I ended up with BFC's baby on my present day hardrive. Every so often when playing CM the spell gently lifts and I snicker at the realization -  I am well into adulthood and still playing with little army men.
 
To sburke's point, here is a moment from this last weekend that made me stop and marvel at the depth of experience CM delivers.  The two Strykers in this image are on the 'splody end of a RUS fire mission. After a nearby shellburst decomissioned the M1126's RWS, an onboard sniper took up position and began scanning for targets.  How cool is that?
 

 
Take heed all of you with a hand in the game's development, your efforts are noticed, no matter how small.  Your work not only gratifies us as adult wargamers, but also invites our boyhood whimsy to step right up each time CM lays out the welcome mat.

Really, is that all there is. One for sure and another I should be able to track down.

With all the request for these things you would think there would be special motivation to create scenarios using them.

I just played a battle last night that had Greyhounds, 75 mm Howitzer Motor Carriage M8, PzIII's and Wirbelwind's.

It was one of the funniest games I have played in a long while just for the fact of the interesting match ups and how they were going to play out.

I had one duel between a Wirbelwind's & 75 mm Howitzer Motor Carriage M8, which neither could destroy the other.
I think the one reason for that was the M8 rounds kept hitting the hull of the other tank, I kept wanting to see what would happen when it hit the gun shield, never did. Ran out of Ammo first

Well, that is nice, but you better just learn to live with what we have.

They are not tweeking the game now after all this time to just please you so that it looks more correct to what you want to expect.

The subject has been discussed for years, adjustment were made to get the kill , wounded ratios about right and it was explained multiple times as to why it was not a easy fix as to having the shell spread be different. along with the similar issue as to troops being more spread out.

So the graphics are not perfect, but the results generally do a good job of representing the situation.

So, you did not get the results you expected. Well playing War is just Hell isn't it.

Well, that is nice, but you better just learn to live with what we have.

They are not tweeking the game now after all this time to just please you so that it looks more correct to what you want to expect.

The subject has been discussed for years, adjustment were made to get the kill , wounded ratios about right and it was explained multiple times as to why it was not a easy fix as to having the shell spread be different. along with the similar issue as to troops being more spread out.

So the graphics are not perfect, but the results generally do a good job of representing the situation.

So, you did not get the results you expected. Well playing War is just Hell isn't it.

Can I hear a "Amen" to that.

This thread comes up every so often, its is nothing more than a wish for something that will never happen, more of a wish than a complaint.

Some wish that the CMBB style of play would come again and that somehow they could get a updated game that looks great and covers the whole war in one game just like they had back then. The fact is, No matter what, no game like that will ever be sold again with that much scope. And no in truth, they never can be satisfied with CMBB really. Because even though it is their favorite game, it is outdated, it shows it and there is all the short comings that cannot be overlooked and nothing to ever hope for in them getting fixed. Stuck with a outdated imperfect game and no hope for a updated similar game - now do you see the wish.

Of course we have the same problem with CMX2 fans that keep wishing to somehow get mods and add ons to just go on forever to somehow get the scope of the whole war as we did with CMBB. But again it is a wish that will never come true. The product just is consuming too much time and man hours to create the periods that it will be outdated and have lost interest and sales to ever see the company provide such a thing. So again a wish that will never be seen.

So we have two camps that love to debate and voice their hopes for the future of the game, and in truth neither will ever happen.

So deal with what is available and accept your lots in gaming lives and learn to enjoy what you have and is available and maybe just make your wishes more realistic

That is sure the truth, I always just ignore that comment about having the auto generated maps, They sucked as far as I am concerned.

The new map concept is great and anyone that complains because they are limited because of how few there are needs to understand.
That is the easiest of all the things to create in the game is new QB maps. If you cannot do that, you really need to get out of the hobby because you are not very smart.

With all the players that like h2h QB's. I do not understand why there is not a ton of user created maps being added to the library.

Really, it is step one of learning how to do something with the game editor.

Well, I will just point out again. That CMx2 really came out of the CMx1 fan base request. Years and years and years of it.

Every time BFC did a new game, we had these threads that popped up with the wish list of what the players wanted CM games to be.

So low and behold BF went about making a new system with many of them request addressed into the design.

We get CMx2 and as we all know what then happened. The starting of the wailing and gnashing of teeth begins - the sad thing is, much of it from the same players who had made the request for just that type of game to begin with.

Thank goodness for us that BF ignored the whines and pushed on with the design until we have found ourselves where we are today.

Its a great game.


But again if they do ever go onto a CMx3 type system, I still think it needs to be a drastic design concept change instead of a similar product all designed again in a new engine and different graphics.

I think of the old Panzer Leader and Panzer Blitz games and the scale of them battles and think placing them in a 3D game design would be a amazing trick and would be a successful new adventure. Plus maneuvering battles would become much more of a event within the gameplay because of the scale with which we would be dealing with.

There is way too much truth in this comment.

Having grown up playing war games and then also having served 8 years in the Marine Corp in combat units I will add my two cents as to how little the two things are alike.

A game is just that, a game. Wargames are like any other game in that you have one player making all the decisions and dictating the actions within the game to meet his desired goals. It is a united front with all choices trying to lead to the same end result. I think that is enough to show that no wargame will ever be close to what happens in real conflicts.

Now of course I served from 1980 to 1987, so there has been many advances in communications to try and coordinate units in Battle since I was in. But when I was in, I was shocked as to how even simple battle plans could get all unorganized in very short periods of time and that was in conditions normally where your life was not truly in danger.

I saw things like, units attacking incorrect objectives, units getting lost, Units miss their jump off times because of not being able to cover the distance needed in the preplanned times.
Misunderstanding instructions from leaders and preforming incorrect acts.
Commanders not able to correct incorrect actions of units under their command in time because of the time it takes to recognize, contact and communicate the issue, all of which prevents them from communicating to anyone else at that same point.
lack of information as to what the goals are and then lack of action by unit leaders because of it.

Now get real bullets flying and add in , units and individuals actions that do not perform their orders but do more to protect themselves and stay alive, Not really trying to engage the enemy.
And the list goes on, and on and on.

So you find, how little you control the events because it is a action of that decisions of hundreds and thousands of people playing out on a field of battle and the leaders are doing nothing more than trying to coordinate their small portion of command, and generally they are doing it with very simplistic commands.

So I always smile when I see players wanting as realistic as possible wargames. Because the truth is, it will never be close. And if for some reason, someone did make something close to the real thing. Almost ever wargamer would hate it and it be a flop

Give him h*ll

I know you are talented enough to beat him and I like nothing better than to see him get beat.

How can you say that. In the old system, if I spotted a enemy unit, all I had to do was run 4 more units over into line of sight and I knew I would for certain have 5 to 1 odds immediately.

Now I spot a unit and I have to wonder if I will even keep the spot with that unit, if I add more units by moving them into line of sight. I might get it, I might not. Plus if I do move more units, I might be moving them into line of sight of enemy units I do not see yet since spotting can be so deceiving now as to how long it might take to see enemy units within possible visual views.

There is no similarity at all and it was the biggest impact as to how to play the game now compared to the old version. To be good at both games take different styles of play. All because of spotting

How can you say that. In the old system, if I spotted a enemy unit, all I had to do was run 4 more units over into line of sight and I knew I would for certain have 5 to 1 odds immediately.

Now I spot a unit and I have to wonder if I will even keep the spot with that unit, if I add more units by moving them into line of sight. I might get it, I might not. Plus if I do move more units, I might be moving them into line of sight of enemy units I do not see yet since spotting can be so deceiving now as to how long it might take to see enemy units within possible visual views.

There is no similarity at all and it was the biggest impact as to how to play the game now compared to the old version. To be good at both games take different styles of play. All because of spotting

How can you say that. In the old system, if I spotted a enemy unit, all I had to do was run 4 more units over into line of sight and I knew I would for certain have 5 to 1 odds immediately.

Now I spot a unit and I have to wonder if I will even keep the spot with that unit, if I add more units by moving them into line of sight. I might get it, I might not. Plus if I do move more units, I might be moving them into line of sight of enemy units I do not see yet since spotting can be so deceiving now as to how long it might take to see enemy units within possible visual views.

There is no similarity at all and it was the biggest impact as to how to play the game now compared to the old version. To be good at both games take different styles of play. All because of spotting

Can I hear a "Amen" to that.

This thread comes up every so often, its is nothing more than a wish for something that will never happen, more of a wish than a complaint.

Some wish that the CMBB style of play would come again and that somehow they could get a updated game that looks great and covers the whole war in one game just like they had back then. The fact is, No matter what, no game like that will ever be sold again with that much scope. And no in truth, they never can be satisfied with CMBB really. Because even though it is their favorite game, it is outdated, it shows it and there is all the short comings that cannot be overlooked and nothing to ever hope for in them getting fixed. Stuck with a outdated imperfect game and no hope for a updated similar game - now do you see the wish.

Of course we have the same problem with CMX2 fans that keep wishing to somehow get mods and add ons to just go on forever to somehow get the scope of the whole war as we did with CMBB. But again it is a wish that will never come true. The product just is consuming too much time and man hours to create the periods that it will be outdated and have lost interest and sales to ever see the company provide such a thing. So again a wish that will never be seen.

So we have two camps that love to debate and voice their hopes for the future of the game, and in truth neither will ever happen.

So deal with what is available and accept your lots in gaming lives and learn to enjoy what you have and is available and maybe just make your wishes more realistic

Can I hear a "Amen" to that.

This thread comes up every so often, its is nothing more than a wish for something that will never happen, more of a wish than a complaint.

Some wish that the CMBB style of play would come again and that somehow they could get a updated game that looks great and covers the whole war in one game just like they had back then. The fact is, No matter what, no game like that will ever be sold again with that much scope. And no in truth, they never can be satisfied with CMBB really. Because even though it is their favorite game, it is outdated, it shows it and there is all the short comings that cannot be overlooked and nothing to ever hope for in them getting fixed. Stuck with a outdated imperfect game and no hope for a updated similar game - now do you see the wish.

Of course we have the same problem with CMX2 fans that keep wishing to somehow get mods and add ons to just go on forever to somehow get the scope of the whole war as we did with CMBB. But again it is a wish that will never come true. The product just is consuming too much time and man hours to create the periods that it will be outdated and have lost interest and sales to ever see the company provide such a thing. So again a wish that will never be seen.

So we have two camps that love to debate and voice their hopes for the future of the game, and in truth neither will ever happen.

So deal with what is available and accept your lots in gaming lives and learn to enjoy what you have and is available and maybe just make your wishes more realistic

Can I hear a "Amen" to that.

This thread comes up every so often, its is nothing more than a wish for something that will never happen, more of a wish than a complaint.

Some wish that the CMBB style of play would come again and that somehow they could get a updated game that looks great and covers the whole war in one game just like they had back then. The fact is, No matter what, no game like that will ever be sold again with that much scope. And no in truth, they never can be satisfied with CMBB really. Because even though it is their favorite game, it is outdated, it shows it and there is all the short comings that cannot be overlooked and nothing to ever hope for in them getting fixed. Stuck with a outdated imperfect game and no hope for a updated similar game - now do you see the wish.

Of course we have the same problem with CMX2 fans that keep wishing to somehow get mods and add ons to just go on forever to somehow get the scope of the whole war as we did with CMBB. But again it is a wish that will never come true. The product just is consuming too much time and man hours to create the periods that it will be outdated and have lost interest and sales to ever see the company provide such a thing. So again a wish that will never be seen.

So we have two camps that love to debate and voice their hopes for the future of the game, and in truth neither will ever happen.

So deal with what is available and accept your lots in gaming lives and learn to enjoy what you have and is available and maybe just make your wishes more realistic

Can I hear a "Amen" to that.

This thread comes up every so often, its is nothing more than a wish for something that will never happen, more of a wish than a complaint.

Some wish that the CMBB style of play would come again and that somehow they could get a updated game that looks great and covers the whole war in one game just like they had back then. The fact is, No matter what, no game like that will ever be sold again with that much scope. And no in truth, they never can be satisfied with CMBB really. Because even though it is their favorite game, it is outdated, it shows it and there is all the short comings that cannot be overlooked and nothing to ever hope for in them getting fixed. Stuck with a outdated imperfect game and no hope for a updated similar game - now do you see the wish.

Of course we have the same problem with CMX2 fans that keep wishing to somehow get mods and add ons to just go on forever to somehow get the scope of the whole war as we did with CMBB. But again it is a wish that will never come true. The product just is consuming too much time and man hours to create the periods that it will be outdated and have lost interest and sales to ever see the company provide such a thing. So again a wish that will never be seen.

So we have two camps that love to debate and voice their hopes for the future of the game, and in truth neither will ever happen.

So deal with what is available and accept your lots in gaming lives and learn to enjoy what you have and is available and maybe just make your wishes more realistic

I've played 4 scenarios of CMBB so far this weekend.  I last played CMRT last November.  The OP has a point. 
It isn't actually the QBs and time frame that make the difference for me, it is the game play and scale.
I freely admit that CMRT is more realistic and that it is visually much more immersive.
 
But the level of micromanagement needed to play it right makes it feel like a sergeant's level game, in which I am primarily focused on the tasking and decisions within one squad at a time.  With a platoon a comfortable total force and a single company leaning toward giant feeling.  The realistic fire is dangerous enough, moreover, that large portions of the fight "go static" pretty quickly, since staying in good cover and firing is often the right thing for most units to do, at that point.
By comparison, CMBB feels like a company commander's game.  It moves along quickly, the decision each game turn are managable but interesting, etc.
 
I freely acknowledge that people with other play priorities, or just a lot better at CMRT, may find it more enjoyable.  I just don't.  I'd love to have CMBB gameplay with updated graphics - wouldn't even need single man depiction.  But that's just not where we are.  In the meantime, I still consider CMBB the best tactical computer wargame ever made.
 
One man's opinion...

Practical is the real word for this decision. making it less than a minute just makes it impractical.

Just be grateful you have RT for those of you that cannot stand a minute of time without complete control.

As a leader of real units, you hardly have any control. So a minute time frame to give new orders is still way to much god like power in truth.

But a minute adds just enough out of control situations to make it fun.

Leave a good thing alone

Practical is the real word for this decision. making it less than a minute just makes it impractical.

Just be grateful you have RT for those of you that cannot stand a minute of time without complete control.

As a leader of real units, you hardly have any control. So a minute time frame to give new orders is still way to much god like power in truth.

But a minute adds just enough out of control situations to make it fun.

Leave a good thing alone