MikeyD Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 The cage looks a bit different than the standard - They deleted the heavy frame for one thing, a big difference! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Cairns Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Is the way they fnally got t to work, by havng the infantry cart about a metal ramp for it to back up on to..... Peter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted May 10, 2006 Author Share Posted May 10, 2006 Stryker and that M1117 AC both have bolt-on MEXAS ceramic armor that makes 'em proof against the heavy Russian MG at 50m. I believe the stats claim to be equivalent of 56mm armor steel which ain't bad at all! Also - or alternatively? - Strykers mounting slat cages also use a steel hull side plate slightly spaced out from the hull. I 'think' there's still MEXAS tiles under there - though I'm not positive. I also read somewhere a fully-loaded Slat Stryker may top 50,000 lbs. I've also been noticing the M1114 Humvee door panel seem to be getting thicker and thicker. Originally the M1114 was spec'd as proof against 7.62 AK ammo from 100m. I'd bet anything that's been upped to point-blank. That poor hummer's getting heavier and heavier all the time. [ May 10, 2006, 02:27 PM: Message edited by: MikeyD ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Cairns Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 That's the problem with light and medium forces, given time in combat they quickly become medium and heavy forces. It can even get to the stage where the up armoured "light" option is heavier and more expensive than the heavy it was supposed to replace, and has lots the speed and mobility it was bought for. Peter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoolaman Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Does anyone know if the Stryker would go into conventional combat with the slat cage on or off? Do you think it might provide a false sense of security against threats other than an RPG? Is the Stryker a one trick pony developed and specialised to fight guerillas in Iraq, because by all accounts, that's not what we (the collective who chooses to buy CMSF) will be using it for. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted May 11, 2006 Author Share Posted May 11, 2006 You comment about giving a false sense of security reminded me of some weird vehicle decisions based on doctrine. From the shape of the old M10 TD's mantlet casting it looks like provision had been made to mount a coaxial mg on the thing - but someone in authority was so worried that the M10 would be used as a tank they intentionally left off the vehicle mg so the TD would be incapable of fulfilling the function of a tank! Now that's thinking ahead. Along a similar vein, Belgium was looking for a vehicle for infantry support in the early 70s. They were offered a stripped-down Leopard 1 for the task but again they were worried it would be used as a tank so they made the conscious decision to field the less capable JPZ Kanone to make its utility as a 'tank' impossible. Back to the subject of Stryker, it would be the height of beurocratic -think for someone in the Pentagon to make Stryker less safe by taking off the cage for fear of it being thought more safe than it was. Which means its not out of the question by any means 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Crews almost never think their vehicle is proof againts anything. I don't really see that as a problem. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted May 16, 2006 Author Share Posted May 16, 2006 Borrowed from the AFV News discussion forum: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Cairns Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 Does the sign mean "DANGER, Do Not Walk Under Gun Tube" or " DANGER, Do Not Walk Under Gun......."Tube". ( tube being the scottish term for a person of limited mental ability, and I can guess the next post so Iam braced for it) Peter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberpickle Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 My main question is: what variant is that? That beast gun on the Strkyer looks, well, god how do I put it: UNFAIR. I feel sorry for the poor guys who have to run for that thing. Hey, maybe the red cross can get them some gatorade and some new balances? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellfish Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 http://www4.army.mil/ocpa/read.php?story_id_key=9467 Stryker teams train with new vehicles By Jason Kaye Fort Lewis Northwest Guardian FORT LEWIS, Wash. (Army News Service, Aug. 29, 2006) – A long wait is over for Stryker Mobile Gun System (MSG) crews of the 4th Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division. The 2nd Battalion, 23rd Infantry, received its complement of MGS vehicles last month after more than a year of waiting. They are the first vehicles to be fielded in the Army. “I think its going to give the infantry a whole new dimension of what they can do. Armor and infantry have kept each other at arm’s length for years and years," said Sgt. 1st Class David Cooper, an MGS platoon sergeant with B Company, 2-23 Inf. "We’ve got some growing pains, but once we get out there and they see what we can do, we’re going to be everybody’s friend.” Each infantry company is slated to receive three vehicles, though crews don't expect to operate together except on rare occasions. The vehicles carry crews of three, and are equipped with a 105 mm main gun and a state-of-the-art fire control system. The MGS also has an onboard coaxial machine gun that’s fire controlled. “You can literally shoot smiley faces with it at 900 meters,” said Cooper. “Even minus the big gun we can give the infantry a lot of support.” The 105 mm is capable of firing four types of rounds: SABOT, a depleted-uranium armor-piercing round; HEAT, high-explosive anti-tank; HEP, high-explosive plastic; and a canister round. The rounds are loaded using a hydraulic auto-loader in the rear of the vehicle. The HEP and canister rounds give Stryker units new capabilities, especially in urban areas. The HEP can blow holes in reinforced concrete walls, but unlike the rounds from an Abrams, won’t continue through the target and into surrounding buildings. The canister provides as effective anti-personnel capability. “The vehicle’s basic role is to support the infantry. It’s not there to take on tanks or go toe-to-toe in the wide-open desert like we did with the Abrams,” said Sgt. 1st Class William Ozmet, an MGS instructor from Fort Knox, Ky. “Its primary function is blowing a hole in the wall or blowing up bunkers.” Over the past year, the crews have been training with TOW-ITAS Humvees or other Stryker variants. Finally having the vehicles gives the crews a chance to delve into training. “I can actually start focusing on our training, both on our mission tasks and working with the infantry,” said 1st Lt. Christopher Lilley, the MGS platoon leader in B Co. The MGS also comes equipped with training software that allows Soldiers to train on various engagements in their own vehicles, instead of going to a simulator somewhere else. Once the 4th Bde. completes training, instructors from General Dynamics Land Systems will move on to equip and train Soldiers in Hawaii and Pennsylvania. Training for those units may change according to lessons learned here, but the vehicle itself is expected to remain mostly unchanged. “I’m confident that this will turn out to be a successful piece of equipment for us, the infantry and the Army,” said Lilley. B Co., 2-23 Inf. Soldiers, from left, Spc. Bill Baehr, Sgt. Detroy Hightower, 1st Lt. Christopher Lilley and Pfc. Dustin Blake get training on the Stryker Mobile Gun System from James Spicer, an instructor from General Dynamics Land Systems. Jason Kaye 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted August 29, 2006 Author Share Posted August 29, 2006 Oh! I just noticed - the tow cable's & winch are gone from this vehicle! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 I wonder if the canister rounds are tungsten shotgun style or beehive? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oren_m Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 Originally posted by Uberpickle: My main question is: what variant is that? That beast gun on the Strkyer looks, well, god how do I put it: UNFAIR. I feel sorry for the poor guys who have to run for that thing. Hey, maybe the red cross can get them some gatorade and some new balances? It looks to me like an M-68 105 mm NATO gun. It's the very same gun like the older Merkava's has. Oren_m 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicky Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 What are the bowls underneath both vehicles catching? Oil leaks or piss pots?? BFC please fix or sumfink 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 Cool info, thanks. I hadn't seen the official "first issue" report yet. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homo ferricus Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 so are those suckers going to be in the game? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 Oh yes, most definitely Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homo ferricus Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 *drool* 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holman Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 What's the point of that frickin' ramp? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 I think it is so they can check performance with the gun elevated without having the round wind up in down town Huntsville Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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