endit Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 I have just been playing a little with the demo and am surprized that my soviet tanks can run the battlefront at will. What happened to the panzerfaust & it's little brother? This really changes the tables for the germans, as I hate those panzerfausts. Was this left out of the demo only? Or maybe the germans didn't have them on this front? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 Panzerfaust didn't exist in 1941. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindan Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 faust and schreck were later developments. the later in the war, the more you will see them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 Get hold of the full game and you'll see how the phrase "Arms Race" came into the lexicon. It seems like every month or two something even deadlier makes its appearance on the battlefield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KG_Jag Posted September 13, 2002 Share Posted September 13, 2002 I believe that the panzerschreck and faust were knock-offs of American bazookas captured in North Africa. The earliest they could have been captured in 1942. [ September 12, 2002, 08:03 PM: Message edited by: jagcommander ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeeDog Posted September 13, 2002 Share Posted September 13, 2002 Originally posted by jagcommander: I believe that the panzerschreck and faust were knock-offs of American bazookas captured in North Africa. The earliest they could have been captured in 1942.Only the Panzershreck. The Panzerfaust was an entirely different, parallel development that AFAIK was an entirely German design. (though, of course, some of the concepts used, like the shaped charge & c. were not originally german) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrNoobie Posted September 13, 2002 Share Posted September 13, 2002 ok i have to ask what does AFAIK stand for? note my name :confused: [ September 12, 2002, 09:05 PM: Message edited by: MrNoobie ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specterx Posted September 13, 2002 Share Posted September 13, 2002 AFAIK means As Far As I Know, AFAIK... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacestick Posted September 13, 2002 Share Posted September 13, 2002 Originally posted by YankeeDog: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by jagcommander: I believe that the panzerschreck and faust were knock-offs of American bazookas captured in North Africa. The earliest they could have been captured in 1942.Only the Panzershreck. The Panzerfaust was an entirely different, parallel development that AFAIK was an entirely German design. (though, of course, some of the concepts used, like the shaped charge & c. were not originally german)</font> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeeDog Posted September 13, 2002 Share Posted September 13, 2002 Originally posted by Pacestick: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by YankeeDog: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by jagcommander: I believe that the panzerschreck and faust were knock-offs of American bazookas captured in North Africa. The earliest they could have been captured in 1942.Only the Panzershreck. The Panzerfaust was an entirely different, parallel development that AFAIK was an entirely German design. (though, of course, some of the concepts used, like the shaped charge & c. were not originally german)</font> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Devils Posted September 13, 2002 Share Posted September 13, 2002 Wasn't the first "panzerfaust-type" model the Panzerfaust Klein (30mm) in late 42? I believe it was also reusable. Just curious. I hadn't heard of any RPGs before this used by the Germs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew H. Posted September 13, 2002 Share Posted September 13, 2002 Originally posted by YankeeDog: [QBBy 1940, though, many nations had developed shaped charge weapons; the American bazooka was invented in 1941, but the warhead it fired was acutally purchased from a Swiss firm in the late thirties. (yes, the US Army bought the warheads before they had a delivery system!) The British Rifle Grenade Type 68 is a 1940 design (meaning that it must have been developed earlier than 1940) that uses a rather crude shaped charge. [/QB]This pretty much jibes with what I've read. The bazooka was copied because the Germans thought that it was a better way of delivering a shaped charge warhead than whatever they had been working on. They already knew about the shaped charge principle, but I think that they had been trying it out in Puppchen-type guns, not individual-type weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnergoz Posted September 13, 2002 Share Posted September 13, 2002 A quibble, and a question... RPG=Rocket Propelled Grenade My impression is that the Panzerfaust fired its round from a propellant charge that was consumed within the launcher. The difference being, the propellant in a rocket is in the round and continues to burn after leaving the muzzle (or laucher), while the panzerfaust had only the initial propellant burn in the launcher to propel it. Technically, the bazooka and panzerschreck are closer to that definition to an RPG than is the panzerfaust. What confuses things is that the postwar Russian RPG's look a bit like panzerfausts more than bazookas. Comments? Anyone care to straighten me out if I'm getting this wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Posted September 13, 2002 Share Posted September 13, 2002 Shaped charges use the Monroe Effect, discovered in 1883 (or maybe 1885) by Charles Monroe, and independantly rediscovered in Europe in 1911. IIRC Monroe noticed that the depressed print in blocks of guncotton left mirror images in metal they were placed against, but he didn't explore it any further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flesh Posted September 13, 2002 Share Posted September 13, 2002 Originally posted by gunnergoz: A quibble, and a question... RPG=Rocket Propelled Grenade My impression is that the Panzerfaust fired its round from a propellant charge that was consumed within the launcher. The difference being, the propellant in a rocket is in the round and continues to burn after leaving the muzzle (or laucher), while the panzerfaust had only the initial propellant burn in the launcher to propel it. Technically, the bazooka and panzerschreck are closer to that definition to an RPG than is the panzerfaust. What confuses things is that the postwar Russian RPG's look a bit like panzerfausts more than bazookas. Comments? Anyone care to straighten me out if I'm getting this wrong?AFAIK, the RPG 7 works on the same principle as a recoilless rifle, i.e. the projectile is launched by a charge in it's base. After the projectile has travelled a short distance, the rocket motor ignites and propels the projectile to it's target. As an aside, the ignition of the rocket motor is supposed to cause the projectile to roll to the right, but this can be compensated for by an experienced user. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine59 Posted September 13, 2002 Share Posted September 13, 2002 Here is about as much as you would want to know, courtesy of forum member M Hofbauer. Panzerfaust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnergoz Posted September 13, 2002 Share Posted September 13, 2002 Originally posted by highlife: Here is about as much as you would want to know, courtesy of forum member M Hofbauer. PanzerfaustThanks, I went to that swell site and was impressed. Got me as confused about my premise as did the site about the RPG that I found. In the end, it seems to matter little, the RPG and faust are essentially son and father in most repects as to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameroon Posted September 13, 2002 Share Posted September 13, 2002 Originally posted by highlife: Here is about as much as you would want to know, courtesy of forum member M Hofbauer. PanzerfaustThis is a really interesting site by M Hofbauer, he is to be commended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorpius1001 Posted September 13, 2002 Share Posted September 13, 2002 Hehe...just wait till you have to run your armor thru Berlin.............Watch out for those 15 yr old brats!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pakfan Posted September 13, 2002 Share Posted September 13, 2002 Originally posted by gunnergoz: A quibble, and a question... RPG=Rocket Propelled Grenade RPG = russian: "Reaktivniy Protivotankovyi Granatomet", not Rocket propelled grenade!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--am-- Posted September 13, 2002 Share Posted September 13, 2002 The soldier Vataman has won 10 fascists hand-to-hand fight using faustpatrone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnergoz Posted September 13, 2002 Share Posted September 13, 2002 Originally posted by pakfan: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by gunnergoz: A quibble, and a question... RPG=Rocket Propelled Grenade RPG = russian: "Reaktivniy Protivotankovyi Granatomet", not Rocket propelled grenade!!!</font> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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