Battlefront.com Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 2 hours ago, cesmonkey said: I wonder if the EU could buy some military assistance from the U.S. to give to Ukraine? In theory that is probably doable, though I expect it would be rather slow to make it happen. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan/california Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Battlefront.com said: In theory that is probably doable, though I expect it would be rather slow to make it happen. Steve Biden made at least some initial moves towards giving Ukraine the frozen Russian funds at the Federal Reserve. I still think it is more likely the Dems will eat enough crap on border policy to actually pass something, but if there is going to be a plan B, it is the frozen Russian money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan/california Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 Quote https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/while-the-west-dithers-the-future-of-the-world-is-being-decided-in-ukraine/ For now, too many people in the West seem far more afraid of defeating Putin than of actually stopping him. They remain in denial over the scale of the civilizational challenge posed by Russia, and continue to labor under the comforting delusion that some kind of compromise can return the world to the prewar status quo. In reality, a confrontation with Putin’s Russia can no longer be avoided; it can only be won or lost. I can't put it any better, the whole article is worth a read. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zinz Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 4 hours ago, Battlefront.com said: In theory that is probably doable, though I expect it would be rather slow to make it happen. Steve Well kind of already happened with the patriot systems? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet 0369 Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 On 12/6/2023 at 10:30 AM, Haiduk said: Likely successfull assasination by GUR/SBU Deputy of LPR "parliament" Oleg Popov, tied with LPR intelligence was blew up in own car in Luhansk and later died in hospital. Though, some Russian milblogger claim this can be inner showdowns, because Popov belonged to group of Igor Kornet, former "minister of internal affairs" of LPR, who had a prob;lems woth Russian Investigatin Committee and was blown up and heavy wounded in May 2023 in Luhansk. Also by unconfirmed information of several Russian TGs, former Ukrainian deputy Ilya Kiva, who fled to Russia, known with own crazy Zhyrinovskity-style statements, was found murdered today in Moscow oblst on territory of hotel. According one info he was shot dead, by other killed likely with stiletto blow to the temple Ok, at the risk of sounding really ignorant after 3071 pages of this thread, is the GUR/SBU Russian or Ukraine? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, Vet 0369 said: Ok, at the risk of sounding really ignorant after 3071 pages of this thread, is the GUR/SBU Russian or Ukraine? It can be a little confusing. GUR = Ukrainian Defense Intelligence, which is a part of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry. The GRU = Russian Military Intelligence. Which means switching the letters can cause a lot of problems The way to remember it us "RU = Russia", so GRU is Russian. SBU is Ukrainian Security Services, which is responsible for both internal and external security of Ukraine. Think of it as CIA and FBI combined in the US or MI5 and MI6 combined in the UK. It reports directly to the President. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 Short article on Ukraine raising 5 new brigades. Mentioned a bunch of pages ago, so not really new news. Article gives some hints of how they are to be armed (i.e. not with Western IFVs or tanks): https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/12/07/ukraine-is-forming-five-new-mechanized-brigades-now-they-need-vehicles/?sh=3c0af7432f70 Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet 0369 Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 On 12/6/2023 at 3:40 PM, dan/california said: I just wrote and called both Senators and my Congressman about getting Ukraine funding done. Every single reader of this board who is a U.S. Citizen should do the same. LOL, while I understand and sympathize with you, I live in the Peoples Democratic Republic of Massachusetts, so ALL of our Federal Representatives and Senators, and most of our State Representatives and State Senators are Democrats, and I refuse to associate with any of them since Ted Kennedy left the Senate. He at least would reach across the aisle and negotiate with the Republicans “for the good of the country” as would the Republicans of that era. Today, EVERYONE’s philosophy is “my way or the highway.” In both parties! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Battlefront.com Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 There's plenty of ire to heap on the GOP for any number of things it is/isn't doing these days (at least the f'n hold on military promotions is almost over!), but that isn't relevant enough to Ukraine to keep the fires burning. Anybody reading this thread likely knows what the stakes are and has a strong opinion about why we are where we are. And I'm sure everybody wants it to get solved quickly. So no need to keep that discussion going. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet 0369 Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 On 12/6/2023 at 4:48 PM, Jarran said: Hi, I have been lurking this thread since the start of the war and would just like to contribute with an exellent video from the Ward Carrol channel on youtube. This video talks about some stuff that has been in the talks lately, especially the air war and F-16. Would also recommend his older videos with Justin Bronk. Video Name: Justin Bronk on the Fate of the West if Russia Wins in Ukraine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmMclP8dlI0&t=1081s // Jarran Welcome to the thread! As you’ve probably deduced, we’re a cranky, contentious group (myself exempted as I’m a perfect voice of reason, most times) but don’t let that scare you off from commenting! Again, welcome aboard. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan/california Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Vet 0369 said: Welcome to the thread! As you’ve probably deduced, we’re a cranky, contentious group (myself exempted as I’m a perfect voice of reason, most times) but don’t let that scare you off from commenting! Again, welcome aboard. Yes, welcome aboard, but I thought I was the reasonable one...... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 Something a little different, POV from Russian squad being harassed by Ukrainian tank. https://www.reddit.com/r/u_ForMemesHereIAm/comments/17u7b16/ru_pov_a_video_about_a_russian_cossack_with_the/?utm_term=2650774938&utm_medium=post_embed&utm_source=embed&utm_name=&utm_content=header 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 "On November 30, at least 12 soldiers were killed and eight were injured in an explosion at a training facility at the Kuzmin military training ground in the Rostov region in southern Russia, bordering Ukraine, local media reported. The soldiers died after around 20 marine brigade personnel lit a fire next to ammunition stocks during their lunch break. "An RPG-7 grenade launcher shell rolled into the fire and exploded," according to the news outlet 161.ru, citing a government source." Putin's Guardsman Killed in Explosion at Military Range in Central Russia (newsweek.com) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 44 minutes ago, Sojourner said: Something a little different, POV from Russian squad being harassed by Ukrainian tank. https://www.reddit.com/r/u_ForMemesHereIAm/comments/17u7b16/ru_pov_a_video_about_a_russian_cossack_with_the/?utm_term=2650774938&utm_medium=post_embed&utm_source=embed&utm_name=&utm_content=header That was interesting, thanks. Seems to be a small unit doing some sort of recon work in a gray zone as they didn't seem even remotely worried about infantry going after them. One had a silencer, which come to think of I haven't seen a lot of lately. The leader seems to either have been around for a while or is just putting on a show for the camera (or both!). Either way, he seemed relatively comfortable. We also have to keep in mind this was filmed by a propaganda embed and not just some random GoPro video. Which means everything was carefully selected to portray the Russian forces in a positive light. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carolus Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-us-sign-statement-of-intent-on-co-production-of-weapons/ More cooperation on weapon production. USA and Ukraine sign an agreement to work especially on production of air defense systems (the famed "Frankenstein" AD with Western missiles being modified to be fired from a Soviet chassis). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan/california Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 Quote https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/07/world/europe/poland-ukraine-truckers-blockade.html Frontline Troops in Ukraine Feel Bite of Polish Truckers’ Protest A border blockade by haulers angry that the European Union has suspended a permit system for their Ukrainian counterparts has led to problems with deliveries of wartime supplies. Not been a good week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carolus Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 2 hours ago, dan/california said: Not been a good week. No. And yet... no Russian breakthrough. The whiskey glass is still half full. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe982 Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 5 hours ago, Sojourner said: "On November 30, at least 12 soldiers were killed and eight were injured in an explosion at a training facility at the Kuzmin military training ground in the Rostov region in southern Russia, bordering Ukraine, local media reported. The soldiers died after around 20 marine brigade personnel lit a fire next to ammunition stocks during their lunch break. "An RPG-7 grenade launcher shell rolled into the fire and exploded," Do Russian soldiers actually get any training in anything useful? At a training facilty ???? . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_MonkeyKing Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 "We want Russia to be faced with a decision by the end of 2024: either they have to sit down at the negotiating table on terms acceptable to Ukraine which means sovereignty and territorial integrity for all of Ukraine, or they will face a stronger Ukraine, which is backed by defense industrial base of the US and Europe. For Russia, this will be a difficult strategic choice." US gameplan. Sounds good to me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Capt Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 17 minutes ago, The_MonkeyKing said: "We want Russia to be faced with a decision by the end of 2024: either they have to sit down at the negotiating table on terms acceptable to Ukraine which means sovereignty and territorial integrity for all of Ukraine, or they will face a stronger Ukraine, which is backed by defense industrial base of the US and Europe. For Russia, this will be a difficult strategic choice." US gameplan. Sounds good to me Gotta be a little bit skeptical here. So basically the negotiation is for Russia to admit total and complete defeat - not sure that is going to go over. Or face a stronger Ukraine backed by what is looking more and more like a shaky defence industrial and political base within the US and Europe. For Russia there is no “choice” here. I mean, hey cool if you can pull it off but this is not really a strategy. It is more of a political statement and posturing. In fact for Ukraine to be truly “stronger” the focus should be defence industry in Ukraine or Ukrainian owned/controlled. Building a long term Ukrainian defence industry that can shore up this war is far more likely to make Russia think. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beleg85 Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 Just a nice show of longer range fire from Bradley autocannon: Saw translation lately of one of posts from Russian milbloggers, it was in roughly this manner: when Ukies storm our trenches riding on Amercian Bradleys, defenders tend to run away immediatelly or fight o the bitter end, nothing between. Fire from their cannons is worse than facing tanks; at least the latter need to raload and leave 10 sec. gap to run/hide, while autocannons sweep everything in the area, not even leaving time to surrender. It seems Russians captured two Bradleys in working condition, and videos with them are flying everywhere in Mordor TV. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 3 hours ago, Joe982 said: Do Russian soldiers actually get any training in anything useful? At a training facilty ???? . I'm sure they do, but only the ones that survive their first few weeks My guess is Russia has partially reorganized how it trains since they wrecked their traditional methodology by sending their prewar trainers to the frontlines early in the war. But as with everything Russian, it is likely half arsed. Add that to what seems to be a cultural absence of safety, either organized or individual, and you get fun stuff like this happening. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraft Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Carolus said: No. And yet... no Russian breakthrough. The whiskey glass is still half full. Terratorial losses pretty much across the front where russia attacks with intent dont count? Also, too early for critical stocks to have hit rock bottom yet. I can assure you once the stockpiles of FPV and observation drones and other critical equiptment reach 0 you'll see movement like in Bakhmut and Soledar when the terrible weather and thick fog made drone observation impossible, advances that would have taken weeks of grinding happened overnight because nothing was stopping the meatwaves from overrunning outnumbered (and unwarned) defenders. Hopefully, truckers and the US hostage taking resolve themselfs before that becomes a reality. Edited December 8, 2023 by Kraft 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seedorf81 Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 4 hours ago, Joe982 said: Do Russian soldiers actually get any training in anything useful? At a training facilty ???? . Well, they did build a good outdoor-fire. Not everyone knows how to do that, these days.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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