Grigb Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 11 minutes ago, Beleg85 said: @Grigb thanks for reportng, btw. Do you happen to know if Wagner still controlled some of his own airforce? No information on that. Interesting they have some control over some of RU helicopters to put a guy inside them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 42 minutes ago, TheVulture said: That seems out of step with the rhetoric so far. Wagner say they are not interfering with the invasion of Ukraine, and have shot down aircraft that were targeting them. But an An-26 is a transport aircraft, so a) it is no immediate threat, and b) were they really that sure that it was carrying equipment or troops that were being deployed against Wagner? Just seems to me that shooting down transport aircraft is, at first glance, at odds with what Prig says he is doing. Just been talking this through with someone. The only things we could think of is either trigger happy or they thought there was a high value target in it i.e. senior Russian MOD. We erred against trigger happy as the consequences for a Wagnerite of doing something not ordered would probably ne extreme. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mosuri Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, FancyCat said: Claims that it's an Il-22M instead ... don't know how the twitter contents are different when editing and when displaying in the thread ... Edited June 24, 2023 by mosuri 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardiebloke Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 So all the discussion about blowing up/repairing the Kerch Bridge was a waste of time if RU can't even get there anymore?!?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLeftFlank Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, kraze said: Will they start killing each other already ffs There ya go. Edited June 24, 2023 by LongLeftFlank 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beleg85 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Buahahaha...sorry, but this is good: https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2023/06/24/prigozhins-forces-enter-rostov-moscow-declares-counter-terrorism-operation-regime-en#1687602346316 I imagined Kazakh spetsnaz landing in Sheremietievo airport and starting to shoot civilians to restore order. You know, in some crazy political-fiction scenario that surely has no chance to happen in real world... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Capt Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Just getting caught up. How sure are we that Wagner is in Voronezh? Or is this just rumour? If Wagner somehow can take Voronezh they will basically own the LOCs for the RA in the entire Ukrainian theatre. Beyond that, I would start looking for indicators of power brokers in the backfield. Talking heads gonna talk but real players are the ones in the background. And the there are those that are just waiting in the tall grass. In chess I would definitely call this entire move “check”, still not sure if Prig can do “checkmate”. But as we have said, things go slow…until they go fast. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grigb Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Rostov Rumor - Wagnerites tell people to leave the streets because Rosguard is coming [implying battle will start soon]. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letter from Prague Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Am I a bad person if I think "finally Russians are doing to each other what they did to us (people of Central and Eastern Europe) for generations"? 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carolus Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Obviously the most important question is how will the DLC for CM:BS in a few years handle Wagner as a Red vs Blue and a Red vs Red force? Privately bought personal equipment mixed with Russian Army vehicles and captured Westenr stuff. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLeftFlank Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 7 minutes ago, The_Capt said: Just getting caught up. How sure are we that Wagner is in Voronezh? Or is this just rumour? If Wagner somehow can take Voronezh they will basically own the LOCs for the RA in the entire Ukrainian theatre. Beyond that, I would start looking for indicators of power brokers in the backfield. Talking heads gonna talk but real players are the ones in the background. And the there are those that are just waiting in the tall grass. In chess I would definitely call this entire move “check”, still not sure if Prig can do “checkmate”. But as we have said, things go slow…until they go fast. Well the Mosculs definitely bombed the oil depot at the Voronezh airport. And they seem to be organising a defence line at the Oka river. Beyond that, situation not entirely clear. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beleg85 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 9 minutes ago, Letter from Prague said: Am I a bad person if I think "finally Russians are doing to each other what they did to us (people of Central and Eastern Europe) for generations"? Nope, perfectly understandable. Curious what Putin bootlicking propagandists now do- Simonian already claimed Prig is CIA agent, but for first time they may actually reasonably be scarred for their own lives... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grigb Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 13:01 Rybar [map] https://t.me/rybar/48919 March of PMCs "Wagner": what is known as of 13.00 We tried to map all the events known by 13 o'clock: the columns of the PMCs, according to preliminary information, reached the Voronezh region. About 170 units of vehicle went further. The columns bypassed [Voronezh moved] — in the direction of Buturlinovka and Borisoglebsk. No infromation about capture of airfield. ▪ Aviation continues to strike [PMC] columns. By this hour, it is known about the losses of three aircraft of the army aviation. Information about the downed transport plane is not confirmed. An oil depot is burning in Voronezh itself: this is probably a consequence of a Ukrainian UAV strike [most likley it is RU heli]. In Rostov, contrary to the statements of the PMCs, they did not capture buildings of the FSB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, only blocked them. At the moment, Rostov is only under the partial control of the Wagners, the normal work of all military authorities continues. All possible routes of movement of PMCs are blocked south of Moscow. 13:17 RU Nats expect Wagnerites columns to reach Moscow this evening or tomorrow morning 13:18 https://telesco.pe/natalia_maximus_ZOV/17541 Rostov Video - looks like pro-Wagnerite people are angrily arguing with RU civil servants regarding the situation (it is entirely possible that these people, women actually, are Prig actors) 13:19 https://t.me/pgubarev/699 That Gubarev - Putin Russian will disappear soon. 13:21 https://t.me/strelkovii/5680 Girkin The rebels have successfully passed Voronezh and are advancing through the territory of the Lipetsk region. They boast that they [quicklyand easily assaulted] the outposts of the "Russian Guard" and took trophies. https://t.me/milinfolive/102612 Claim there are Akhmat cars in the Wagnerite convoy 13:24 https://t.me/dva_majors/18947 Rostov photos Wagnerites guards [/control central] cross roads 13:30 Both sides are taking losses - RU are losing helis, Wagnerites are losing cars. No reports regarding human losses https://t.me/milinfolive/102614 Rostov Photo - Wagnerites are deploying mines at cross roads Reminder UKR info ops are in full swing in TG channels 13:33 https://t.me/fighter_bomber/12893 Video Claim oil depot fire was started after Strela 10M missed helicopter https://t.me/DonbassYasinovatayanaliniiOgnia/40871 Video of highway near Verkhniy Mamon (50.16207382212075, 40.37358522286715) with signs of air strike at aprox at 13:36 https://t.me/natalia_maximus_ZOV/17547 Rostov: claim - Wagnerites asks people to clear street as Rosguarding is coming to fight them 13: 40 https://t.me/rybar/48925 Rybar Video of alleged strike on Wagnerites column 13:42 https://t.me/rybar/48926 Rybar from RT - reports of explosions at Rostov HQ Video of people running from explosion https://t.me/dva_majors/18966 13:45 https://t.me/strelkovii/5681 Girkin claims bloodshed has started 13:48 https://t.me/rybar/48929 Rybar from RT After explosion there is sound of gun fight at HQ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Capt Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, LongLeftFlank said: Well the Mosculs definitely bombed the oil depot at the Voronezh airport. And they seem to be organising a defence line at the Oka river. Beyond that, situation not entirely clear. Ok, well it is the weekend so good time to watch the things unfold. I suspect if Putin cannot contain this by Sun, we could be in a new ballgame. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grigb Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 13 minutes ago, The_Capt said: Just getting caught up. How sure are we that Wagner is in Voronezh? Or is this just rumour? If Wagner somehow can take Voronezh they will basically own the LOCs for the RA in the entire Ukrainian theatre. Beyond that, I would start looking for indicators of power brokers in the backfield. Talking heads gonna talk but real players are the ones in the background. And the there are those that are just waiting in the tall grass. In chess I would definitely call this entire move “check”, still not sure if Prig can do “checkmate”. But as we have said, things go slow…until they go fast. Current information is that significant group of Wagnerites passed Voronezh without capturing it. Most likely it moves toward Moscow. Looks like there are small Wagnerites units around (for example at Oil deport) but there is no significant fighting in Voronzh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grigb Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) Judging RT footage Rostov firefight is not significant Edited June 24, 2023 by Grigb 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beleg85 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) They fight with "Tuvian degenerate"... 2 minutes ago, Grigb said: Judging RT footage Rostov firefight is not significant They could wish to disperse the crowd only with flahsbangs/series into air, they used this method frequently in first days of the war on Ukrainian civilians. Edited June 24, 2023 by Beleg85 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offshoot Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Grigb said: https://t.me/strelkovii/5680 Girkin The rebels have successfully passed Voronezh and are advancing through the territory of the Lipetsk region. They boast that they [quicklyand easily assaulted] the outposts of the "Russian Guard" and took trophies. Wartranslated wrote this as "bypassed Voronezh", which would imply that they haven't taken it. Any confirmation on who holds Voronezh? EDIT: sorry, just read your following post about the situation. Edited June 24, 2023 by Offshoot 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kraze Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechasaurian Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 I was sceptical when I went to bed last night. Prigozhin's bragging about 25k soldiers seemed like blowing hot air. Sure, people were talking about a convoy, but visual evidence of this convoy was nonexistent. And then I woke up to news about Wagner having taken control of all of Rostov, and preparing for a thunder run on Moscow with tanks, artillery, SAM launchers, and all kinds of heavy equipment which the loyalist security forces reportedly does not have. And yes, actual video evidence of clashes between Wagner and loyalist forces. Welcome to Tom Clancy's 21st century. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mosuri Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 29 minutes ago, LongLeftFlank said: There ya go. Looks like Wagner has learned nothing of the intel traffic cameras provide. Column seems to have parked just under one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grigb Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 That explosion seems to be from stun grenade to warn people to back off 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grigb Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 18 minutes ago, Beleg85 said: They fight with "Tuvian degenerate"... They could wish to disperse the crowd only with flahsbangs/series into air, they used this method frequently in first days of the war on Ukrainian civilians. Indeed it seems you are right 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kraze Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 39 minutes ago, Letter from Prague said: Am I a bad person if I think "finally Russians are doing to each other what they did to us (people of Central and Eastern Europe) for generations"? No. There are no downsides. Everybody wins. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLeftFlank Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 17 minutes ago, kraze said: We knew you were inplacable and unforgiving, but Phil Collins is sheer barbarism, beyond the Pale and contrary to all the customary usages of war! ...I mean, if you *must* associate Genesis band members with Wagner PMC.... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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