Markus86 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Battlefront.com said: Looks like they didn't destroy as many aircraft as we would have hoped to see. It's tough to say, but I'm counting 8 probable destroyed, with 2 possibly repairable or at least usable for parts. Steve Well we don't know if / how many pilots and maintenance personal were killed. I guess this hurts a lot more than just the planes. How long does it take to train a fighter pilot? 1 year, 2 years? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Markus86 said: Well we don't know if / how many pilots and maintenance personal were killed. I guess this hurts a lot more than just the planes. How long does it take to train a fighter pilot? 1 year, 2 years? Local TG channel wrote about 60 KIA and 100 WIA among the base personnel including pilots, but this is just rumors Edited August 10, 2022 by Haiduk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beleg85 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Battlefront.com said: Looks like they didn't destroy as many aircraft as we would have hoped to see. It's tough to say, but I'm counting 8 probable destroyed, with 2 possibly repairable or at least usable for parts. Steve UA claimed 9 destroyed, but I swear on both photos there are more. Also, hard to tell the level of destruction on those still standing. Curiously, the one aircraft standing directly against left-most detroyed shack seems to be largely ok. Now, i wait for Russian milcommentators reactions. Meltdown will be priceless. Edited August 10, 2022 by Beleg85 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Rabb Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Beleg85 said: UA claimed 9 destroyed, but I swear on both photos there are more. Also, hard to tell the level of destruction on those still standing. Curiously, the one aircraft standing directly against left-most detroyed shack seems to be largely ok. Now, i wait for Russian milcommentators reactions. Meltdown will be priceless. The demilitarization of Russia continues. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beleg85 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Harmon Rabb said: The demilitarization of Russia continues. Smoking kills. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertFox Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 With craters around 20 metres, Grim 2 becomes more and more likely, some people speculate: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) Additional info, also RUMINT level - 1500 tons of aviation kerosene burned and unknown mass of bombs exploded. Many of personnel just vaporized, so few bodies or body fragments were found to this time. Edited August 10, 2022 by Haiduk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FancyCat Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Can't they have stuck the ammo dumps and the resulting explosion carry the munitions around the dumps in a widespread manner? Would explain why some aircraft look like they got hit, vs others right next to it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) The shop in Novofedorivka. Second expolosion was most huge. 2 minutes and 7 seconds between two shockwaves Edited August 10, 2022 by Haiduk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSarge Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 24 minutes ago, Beleg85 said: Smoking kills. US SURGEON GENERAL’S WARNING: Quitting Smoking Now Greatly Reduces Serious Risks to Your Health. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beleg85 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, OldSarge said: US SURGEON GENERAL’S WARNING: Quitting Smoking Now Greatly Reduces Serious Risks to Your Health. Lucky Strike, isn't it? ED: Two short videos from infantry skirmish by Kostas kalinousky regiment; the unit reportedly get another KIA (not shown here). Interesting is that everybody seem to talk in their own language- I hear Ukrainian, Czech and Portugese (?). https://twitter.com/PaulJawin/status/1557413153637650432 Edited August 10, 2022 by Beleg85 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Beleg85 said: and Portugese (?). One of Brazilian volunteers, somebody in the video says "our Brazilians" Edited August 10, 2022 by Haiduk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Skirmishing in Mar’yinka from Russian PoV: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Here's a bit to chew on. A contact of mine in Kyiv has spoken with a former Yuzhmash employee who has first hand knowledge of the Grim project. What he was able to suss out is a theory that Ukraine has had these available for some time now, but only in extremely small quantities. Some were used at ranges where they could be confused with Tochka-U strikes. However, having had nearly none on hand at the start of the war and only able to produce them very slowly, there's not been many of these used until yesterday. The theory goes that Ukraine built up a small quantity (~10) to do a strategic level strike, such as we saw yesterday. Now that he's put this theory out there... I think we've all seen a Grim strike before. Remember the precision strike on the HQ southwest of Izyum that nailed all kinds of senior officers? Remember that I doggedly stuck to my guns and said the one hit on the HQ was a PGM and the other hits were to camouflage it? Remember at the time I speculated that Excalibur was used for the precision strike and Tochka-Us for the others? Well... I think I got all that right except it was a Grim instead of Excalibur. I'm sure someone here will think of another situation where we scratched our heads about what Ukraine used for a strike. There certainly are some others that were puzzling at the time. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertFox Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 More good stuff from UK to illuminate the nights. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 9 hours ago, Grigb said: Khodakovsky (commander of Vostok battalion) describes his experience on Vugledar direction fighting [according to RU reports UKR arty at Vuhledar is stronger than at Pisky] My comments: I would believe Khadakovsky claims about losses at Mariupol - he is not stupid to participate in meat grinder when there are Mobiks. However, while Vostok was recuperating after Mariupol they completely missed single most important opportunity to achieve significant progress - force breakout at Pisky after UKR retreat from forward defense positions. I mean there was fresh Vostok battalion that lost almost nothing at Mariupol but it was other wasted battalions with the size of companies that tried to force the break out. And only when it was clear that everything has failed Vostok returned to battle and to completely different direction. Either Vostok lost significantly more at Mariupol or Khodakovsky does not do any serious fighting. Neither in Mariupol, not now. Despite public perception of war as hard fire fights, the majority of time outside of the settlements fighting looks like running around from arty without pretty much firing a shot (keep in mind that firefight means you are static - easier target for arty). UKR arty can deal with RU if they get enough arty systems. On other hand RU arty cannot deal with UKR arty effectively. This has been puzzling me since you first posted that Vostok was being deployed for a new operation. My first thought was "huh, come to think of it I've not heard of them in any fighting for a while." That seemed odd given how desperate the manpower shortage is for Russia and DLPR collectively. I think the most likely scenario is that they took heavy casualties in Mariupol like all other units that fought there. I really doubt they only had a few casualties UNLESS they were being kept to the rear to protect internal lines of communication. But why weren't they thrown into any number of the desperate fights since then? For example Popasna. I doubt Khodakovsky has the same pull as Kadyrov to keep his unit shielded from real combat. Therefore, a full strength Vostok sitting around not fighting doesn't make sense. The obvious alternative is that Vostok got chewed up in Mariupol just like all the other Russian units and has been rebuilding since then. Maybe with small detachments fighting here and there. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertFox Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Better hires pic of the area: from this thread: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holien Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 OK I very much want these images to be true but riddle me this why is the plane close to the "workshop" crater with an open bay front not pushed back or even over edge of rear blast wall? I get the white one nearby being protected but not the one immediately opposite the blast? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 The various names for the same new missile: Hrim-2, Grim-2, Grom, Grom-2 or Sapsam 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letter from Prague Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, MikeyD said: The various names for the same new missile: Hrim-2, Grim-2, Grom, Grom-2 or Sapsam Not sure about Sapsam, but the first four are different ways to write the Ukrainian word for thunder, no? (Which is rather appropriate name if it did this, mind.) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 26 minutes ago, akd said: Skirmishing in Mar’yinka from Russian PoV: Interesting use of rope to haul their wounded comrade out of a dangerous spot. The unit is probably DPR. Looks to be in good shape and willing to be in the fight. A definite reminder that not all the units fighting for Russia are horrible. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beleg85 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, Holien said: OK I very much want these images to be true but riddle me this why is the plane close to the "workshop" crater with an open bay front not pushed back or even over edge of rear blast wall? I get the white one nearby being protected but not the one immediately opposite the blast? Good question, one of the planes was "moved" by blast compared to photo from hours before but apparently not entirely destroyed. Perhaps blast was directed entirely to the west? Also, there are heated discussions about airplanes from airstrip- were they destroyed but debris moved by Russians before the photo was made or those black signs are just remnants of some equipment? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calamine Waffles Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, MikeyD said: The various names for the same new missile: Hrim-2, Grim-2, Grom, Grom-2 or Sapsam The proper Ukrainian transliteration is Hrim («Грім»). "Grom" is the Russian transliteration of the Russian equivalent «Грoм». (It's like Kharkiv vs. Kharkov). Similarly, in Ukrainian, "Stugna" is actually pronounced "Stuhna". "Hrim" refers to the missile itself, while "Sapsan" is for the complete complex (TEL + targeting etc.) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 12 minutes ago, DesertFox said: Better hires pic of the area: from this thread: I just don't see the evidence to support the larger number of destroyed aircraft. Looking at the aftermath I count at most 9 probable fighter aircraft, 2 of which might be only somewhat damaged. There's also two or more non-fighters in the area that likely have some sort of damage. I don't see where the other 9 are post strike. Before strike... sure, I see all kinds of aircraft, but that means nothing. Aircraft can move Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) Interesting account of the initial push out of Crimea to Kherson by a paratrooper in the 56th Guards Air-Assault Regiment: Edited August 10, 2022 by akd 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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