Bulletpoint Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 When firing at a contact marker, you always know if the position is knocked out or not, as the contact marker will immediately disappear when the last enemy there dies. Isn't that a problem for the "fog of war"? I'm playing on Warrior skill level. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Well yes, it is a bit odd, but it is also handy so I've never complained about it. Michael 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Yeah indeed that is a break in the FOW. Probably the worst part is if your guys loose site of the direct contact but th '?' icon stays your work is not done. Also you can get an idea of the team size by looking at the know soldiers and the icon placement. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted March 7, 2015 Author Share Posted March 7, 2015 (edited) I used to think that the markers were just "what the troops believed", so when they saw a big shell dropping straight into the enemy foxhole, they would assume the enemy was wiped out and for this reason declare "all clear" - removing the contact marker. Knowing it's not so makes the game much easier. Takes away much of the uncertainty. Edited March 7, 2015 by Bulletpoint 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kohlenklau Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Maybe play with all icons off? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted March 7, 2015 Author Share Posted March 7, 2015 Maybe play with all icons off? Not really complaining, just musing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vergeltungswaffe Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Just like vehicle hit text, it would be good for pbem's to only see your own. Maybe one of these days. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 I'm not sure this is 100% true. I just discovered upon ceasefiring that a lIG18 (that I thought pretty much had to be dead, since it had taken over 90 60mm mortar rounds in direct fire...) which was still represented by a "?gun" icon was completely de-manned and knocked-out. So there are definitely circumstances where you don't know for sure the element is dead. There are also times when the icon vanishes and the element isn't totally neutralised yet. I think this happens when every component of the element you've actually spotted is seen to have been killed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted March 10, 2015 Author Share Posted March 10, 2015 I'm not sure this is 100% true. I just discovered upon ceasefiring that a lIG18 (that I thought pretty much had to be dead, since it had taken over 90 60mm mortar rounds in direct fire...) which was still represented by a "?gun" icon was completely de-manned and knocked-out. So there are definitely circumstances where you don't know for sure the element is dead. There are also times when the icon vanishes and the element isn't totally neutralised yet. I think this happens when every component of the element you've actually spotted is seen to have been killed. It only goes for infantry. AT-guns are exempt, just like other vehicles, their icon remain after they're destroyed (unless in direct LOS, then it shows the destroyed model). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 It only goes for infantry. AT-guns are exempt, just like other vehicles, their icon remain after they're destroyed (unless in direct LOS, then it shows the destroyed model). Ah, I thought that might be the case. However, it still remains that it's not reliable: the icon can disappear before the whole element is dealt with, even for infantry. IME. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Ah, I thought that might be the case. However, it still remains that it's not reliable: the icon can disappear before the whole element is dealt with, even for infantry. IME. Yeah, I've seen repeated instances of that recently in playing BS. It can be a trifle unsettling when a unit you thought was dead "returns to life" guns blazing. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) Ah, I thought that might be the case. However, it still remains that it's not reliable: the icon can disappear before the whole element is dealt with, even for infantry. IME. Can't recall that ever happening to me, and I've clocked up a fair amount of time with the game. Recently I've started to pay a lot of attention to this, checking if disappearing icons indeed mean elimination of the enemy, and so far there have been no exceptions.. I think it would be nice if the icon always remained, so you needed to get close and actually inspect the area before calling the "all clear". Edited March 11, 2015 by Bulletpoint 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I think it would be nice if the icon always remained, so you needed to get close and actually inspect the area before calling the "all clear". And have it fade away as time passes like other FOW spotting icons even if you cannot make it to inspect for the all clear. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 And have it fade away as time passes like other FOW spotting icons even if you cannot make it to inspect for the all clear. Hm, yes. But maybe let a bit of translucent icon remain to show that enemies were spotted there a long time ago. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) womble, I had that same sort of unkillable gun experience myself in the CMBN Demo, I believe. Anyhow, I was attacking, and I was taking fire, painfully so, from some UI gun in a copse to the right of and behind a bridge. I pounded that thing to the point where several of my tanks ran out of HE. But it wasn't until I got eyes on it from super close range that I could tell it was destroyed. Meanwhile, it remained a matter of tactical concern and put a damper on my plans. That and the accursed bridge which seemed to take a month to cross! Regards, John Kettler Edited March 11, 2015 by John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatehunter Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 I don't think this is the case. I have had many a battle where I thought the enemy was dead, the icon dissapeared, only to be ambushed by the enemy when I got close. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted March 14, 2015 Author Share Posted March 14, 2015 I don't think this is the case. I have had many a battle where I thought the enemy was dead, the icon dissapeared, only to be ambushed by the enemy when I got close. I can't recall being in that situation, but will keep looking. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banex Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Yeah you can totally destroy an enemy position where the icon was and then move up.Only to find one or two guys that are broken and in cover or hiding,who in panic throw a grenade in your face,taking half a squad with it..................and there was much swearing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted March 14, 2015 Author Share Posted March 14, 2015 Yeah you can totally destroy an enemy position where the icon was and then move up.Only to find one or two guys that are broken and in cover or hiding,who in panic throw a grenade in your face,taking half a squad with it..................and there was much swearing. It still seems to me that the icon will remain as long as there are any enemies left. But sometimes the icon fades a lot, or sinks into the hedgerow, so becomes easy to miss. In other situations, there can be another unrelated (and un-spotted) enemy team that hides near the location of the eliminated team. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baneman Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 ... In other situations, there can be another unrelated (and un-spotted) enemy team that hides near the location of the eliminated team. It's worth its weight in emailed expletives to get a man with an SMG to a location your opponent has just stonked the hell out of, before he gets there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holman Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I can verify that icons will disappear before a unit is totally eliminated. I've just been bushwacked in PBEM by a unit I thought I had killed off. The icon seems to disappear when all units that have been previously spotted are seen to be hit. If there are soldiers who were never spotted in the first place, the icon won't persist to represent them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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