wadepm Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 I am looking forward to seeing what the Nashorn can do - if the maps are big enough! My question how/if the battery range finder will be modeled or abstracted? Any thoughts? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Nashorn's chance of a first round hit at range is much higher than the Russian heavies. From the look, it seems the Russians are having difficulty finding the range. Short shots, long shots. It does appear that German rangefinding superiority has been abstracted. You won't find anyone standing on the hillside with a big coincidence rangefinder calling out number's though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadepm Posted September 4, 2014 Author Share Posted September 4, 2014 Is it too much to ask to have a guy jump out of the command Nashorn and set up the rangefinder and hear him call out the range in German? Is it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizou Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Is it too much to ask to have a guy jump out of the command Nashorn and set up the rangefinder and hear him call out the range in German? Is it? The game is clearly broken! BFC fix or do sumfink!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oddball_E8 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 There's nashorns in CMRT now? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequoia Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Is the Nashorn/Hornisse thing like the Ferndinand/Elefant thing: two names for the same thing? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Is the Nashorn/Hornisse thing like the Ferndinand/Elefant thing: two names for the same thing? Yes. Hornisse means hornet while Nashorn means rhino. It seems that Hitler preferred big mammals over insects, bigger than Ferdinand Porsche even. Which is stupid - elephants and rhinos are herbivores whereas hornets are carnivores and Ferdinand Porsche was omnivore, therefore much scarier. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Researching the vehicle types available at the relevant dates in this theater it appears Nashorn was do a lot of the heavy lifting in this theater. Elephants and Jadgpanthers were 'elsewhere' at the time, most of them perversely deciding to show up just beyond the basegame's timeframe. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadepm Posted September 4, 2014 Author Share Posted September 4, 2014 My understanding is that the Nashorn was accidentally left off the German TOE but will be included in the patch... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Oh oh oh, you mean in QBs! Yeh, that's different. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadepm Posted September 4, 2014 Author Share Posted September 4, 2014 So a scenario designer can use them? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broadsword56 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 So a scenario designer can use them? Yes, I recently defended in a scenario as Soviets against a German KG that had company of Nashorns supporting about a battaion of infantry and some StuGs. This close swampy and forested terrain was not a good place for the Nashorn to operate, to its advantage, however. And they are vulnerable to AT rifles, which won't often kill them but can cause damage and suppression and make crews bail. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequoia Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 I think the big maps and lack of Borg spotting we have now shows the usefulness of self propelled AT guns like the Nashorn and Marders much better than the CMX1 engine did. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadepm Posted September 5, 2014 Author Share Posted September 5, 2014 Does anyone know of a scenario with Nashorns on a large open map? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 I think the big maps and lack of Borg spotting we have now shows the usefulness of self propelled AT guns like the Nashorn and Marders much better than the CMX1 engine did. Yeah. I played "The Hornets' Nest" in CMx1 several times, but could not get them to come up to their reputation, or even close. In a long range shootout they should be devastating. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 What will be critical that BF enables authentic accuracy at long ranges. I recall that on the huge maps that were possible in CM1, that 88mm guns and Nashorns etc became increasingly and unrealistically inaccurate as ranges approached and exceeded 1,000m. I recall experimenting with making such weapons Crack or Elite in order to get them to perform historically. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Don't judge them by their first shot accuracy; it rises for later shots and it should. Judge them by 5 or 10 shot accuracy vs a stationary target. Just saying... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequoia Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Does anyone know of a scenario with Nashorns on a large open map? I must confess I haven't actually played with the Nashorns, but my experience with Marders is that they can survive longer than they did in CMX1 and I carried that experience over to the Nashorns as a generalization of self propelled AT guns. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadepm Posted September 5, 2014 Author Share Posted September 5, 2014 5-10 shots is a lot. With the stereoscopic rangefinder they should be getting hits by the second if not the first. Getting the proper range is everything... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 5-10 shots is a lot. With the stereoscopic rangefinder they should be getting hits by the second if not the first. Getting the proper range is everything... But perhaps a little less so with the 88. It had a high mV and carried well, so a fairly flat trajectory. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake_eye Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Does anyone know of a scenario with Nashorns on a large open m Right there Cheer http://www.battlefront.com/community/showthread.php?t=116535 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadepm Posted September 5, 2014 Author Share Posted September 5, 2014 From AchtungPanzer.com: "It is reported that in early March of 1945, Lieutenant Beckmann from sPzJagAbt 88 destroyed Soviet IS-2 at the range of 4600 meters near Marzdorf." Didn't say how many shots though... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanir Ausf B Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Expected first shot accuracy of the Nashorn's main cannon vs. tank-sized target. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 So, we really are going to need 3000m+ LOS maps. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobo Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 So, we really are going to need 3000m+ LOS maps. Hmmm... I just set up a "range" scenario at 3000m+ with Nashorns VS T34s and IS-2 and the Nashorns had trouble spotting anything at that range. The IS-2s did not and were able to dispatch the Nashorns after a few minutes... The FO team could see the IS-2s and the T34s but the Nashorns seemed blind. Bobo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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