choppinlt Posted June 21, 2016 Author Share Posted June 21, 2016 Chromecast is certainly something to consider...of course we are still just slowly plugging away at getting a pc demo first! At the moment things are progressing quite slowly on the development front. I was hoping to have it ready by April, but clearly that didn't happen. When we get a demo ready we will be ready to attempt a kickstarter campaign to obtain the funds for full-time programming. It will be the same programmers, but it will allow them to dedicate themselves full-time without other distractions. Feel free to stop by the forum and check out what has been happening at: http://dogsofwarvu.com/forum/index.php/board,36.0.html At the moment we are in a holding pattern to start an AAR for a battle. This could change any day now.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choppinlt Posted September 22, 2016 Author Share Posted September 22, 2016 (edited) For those that are interested I wanted to mention that I am currently doing the AAR. It focuses on the US 29th Infantry Division trying to take St. Lo. The AAR is being executed manually (i.e. I act as the computer using various spreadsheets to evaluate results, create visuals, and explain what is happening) until we get an alpha version prepared, but it still highlights the various capabilities and concepts involved. For instance there are 2 players taking the role of the Americans plus a German player. Of particular interest to you may be the ability to play out interesting battles using your favorite tactical system (e.g. Combat Mission).Currently we have a volunteer who wants to fight one of the tactical battles with Advanced Squad Leader! If you are interested in helping to play out a battle with Combat Mission or a different game system, come over and let me know! Feel free to stop over and take a look at: http://dogsofwarvu.com/forum/index.php/board,36.0.html Edited September 22, 2016 by choppinlt Grammar 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tactical Wargamer Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Wow. Sounds great! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Knudsen Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 For those interested, my ASL battle has finished (with an American victory), and we have learned A LOT about the process of translating a separate lower-level game system like ASL to Theater of Operations. Here are the links to my AAR (for those really interested in a blow by blow solo ASL game by an inexperienced player, lol), the lessons learned from the playtest, and a good discussion regarding how to integrate the two systems. All of the above are on the Gamesquad ASL forum, btw. Of course those here are likely far more interested in porting CM to Theater of Operations, but keep in mind that the more systems we can concretely mesh with Theater of Operations, the broader the appeal. The broader the appeal, the more prospective customers, and the more customers, the greater the chance that Battlefront will make a system to automatically inject force levels and extract battle results to/from Theater of Operations. Just think what we could do with that! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tactical Wargamer Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Great work Christian! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choppinlt Posted October 13, 2016 Author Share Posted October 13, 2016 CK, you truly get it! You are exactly right, the more support we gain the more attractive an automated interface between Theater of Operations and CM becomes to BFC. The public who is interested doesn't have to agree with the process, or like the process, but this is the only way an automated campaign layer is going to happen (according to BFC). CK, thanks again for your support thus far and being brave enough to help play test with converting to ASL! You have been more help than you know. For the rest of you, feel free to check out our forum and keep tabs on how the project is evolving. -Matt 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tactical Wargamer Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 How about trying to work out a session with some of the Flames of War sites/gamers? Not that I'm a big fan of pushing Tin. I do always find though they also have a need for an operational system. Just a thought. Cheers 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choppinlt Posted October 13, 2016 Author Share Posted October 13, 2016 Tactical, Good point. I have already engaged their community in a number of ways, but I havn't done it recently. I can explicitly offer them a chance to play test a conversion. Thanks for the suggestion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wodin Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Part 2 of Matts article on the progress and ups and downs so far. Part One Part Two 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tactical Wargamer Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 Excellent article! Hey, Wodin disregard my last message to ya thanks! If you need any testers let me know. Also hit me up if you guys are doing another kick starter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choppinlt Posted August 8, 2018 Author Share Posted August 8, 2018 It’s been awhile since I have updated this forum, and a lot has happened. We have formed a company called BBG with 3 programmers (2 part time and 1 full time lead programmer) along with various other volunteers, and we have been working on a small project for a publisher to cut our teeth before fully getting in to Theater of Operations. Indie projects are a house of cards, and this is no different. Our lead programmer left due to other obligations and we are basically in a holding pattern until we find a new lead programmer(s). If you or someone you know would be interested in helping out then please send me a message through this forum or email me at choppinlt@gmail.com Experience with Unity is a big plus. Quick refresher on what this project is about: Theater of Operations (ToO) will be an operational level game designed to allow players to play out battles using Combat Mission. Call it a battle generator, operational layer, a campaign system, or whatever you like. Come over to our forum to learn lots more about this project: http://dogsofwarvu.com/forum/index.php/board,36.0.html Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socalgiven Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Hi Matt, I am very interested in participating. I have not read all of the previous posts but a few years back (several actually) a number of us played in what was called "CMMC" or Combat Mission Meta Campaign. This allowed us to play an operational-level campaign using the original CM to fight individual battles. There ere quite a few people involved as either players or umpires. There may be some useful information to mine out of that experience if you intend for your idea to be multiplayer online. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artkin Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) Really hope this project succeeds. A lot of ur are looking forward to completely transforming CM. I've even modeled a couple divisions in various games. Edited September 21, 2018 by Artkin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choppinlt Posted September 25, 2018 Author Share Posted September 25, 2018 @Artkin and @socalgiven, thanks for the messages. Keep in mind that Theater of Operations (ToO) will be designed as a standalone operational level game. It will NOT simply be a campaign layer for CM like CMC was, but that really is a good thing for a number of reasons. It just so happens that I am designing ToO with CM in mind. I also agree that ToO can totally transform the CM experience, hence my motivation for doing this. It will remove the all or nothing feel of CM battles. While that is certainly A LOT of fun, having a bigger picture will transform the battlefield calculus. @socalgiven, help is always appreciated! The help this project needs most is getting a lead programmer! We lost our lead programmer a few months ago right when we were looking to make some real progress. We can use a number of different types of game development disciplines for those that may be interested. Thanks, Matt 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 On 9/25/2018 at 3:55 AM, choppinlt said: It will remove the all or nothing feel of CM battles. While that is certainly A LOT of fun, having a bigger picture will transform the battlefield calculus. That's what we are all hoping for. But looking at your forum, it seems you're in scope creep right now, with more and more features you want to put into the game: Quote Every participating ground unit will have the following evaluated: Leadership Experience Level Cohesion Morale Fatigue Ammo Level Current posture Equipment Available How many engagements it is participating in (primarily for defenders) Battlefield position (defenders only) Terrain it occupies Direction of attack (units that are flanked suffer a penalty) Obstacles (attackers only, which primarily includes streams, rivers and beaches) Special abilities (right now this is primarily engineers when attacking prepared or fortified positions) Other variables: Battlefield Terrain Weather conditions Time of Day Air situation Season Have you considered just making a more simple first version that just lets us push some counters around on a map, and importing/exporting lists of units to and from CM when two units end up in the same hex? That's basically what the community is doing manually right now, and just getting a version that could help automate that process would be a BIG thing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choppinlt Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) Hi Bulletpoint! If you are referring to the attached list in terms of scope creep, then no I don't believe that is the case. Most things on that list is a unit characteristic that impacts game algorithms in different ways. While game mechanics have evolved, the core scope of the game has been the same since I made this announcement. Much of what is seen on the forum are deep explanations on many of the different game concepts and characteristics. You ask if I have considered a simple version to push units around? No that is not under consideration for a variety of different reasons. I am using Vassal to create the mock-up images for the test scenario, but I have not set it up to have any deeper functionality than to generate pictures. Vassal may be of some use to you, and do some or all of what you are talking about. BFC has long told me that their market analysis tells them that the demand for a campaign layer to their CM games is not high enough to justify the risk and the cost of producing one. My recent experience backs up what they were telling me, so it is best to create something that can reach a wider market in hopes of making something close to sustainable. That is why my goal has been to create a standalone operational level game that has features built in to allow flexibility for playing out tactical battles. In other words if I can appeal to multiple niche markets then we have a chance. Edited October 16, 2018 by choppinlt Clarity 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snarre Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 is this project dead or ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choppinlt Posted June 17, 2020 Author Share Posted June 17, 2020 Hello snarre! Is the project dead? No... I am actively trying to get the programming help I need to make it happen. We had a programmer and on the eve of full development a couple years ago he had to back out for personal reasons. So I have been trying to find a developer, but funding is the primary limiting factor. So while this project is not dead, I must add that we haven't gone far with development in the last few years. The game mechanics are ready, we just need a programmer (or a war chest to hire one) to make this happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkerner Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 14 hours ago, choppinlt said: The game mechanics are ready, we just need a programmer (or a war chest to hire one) to make this happen. Kickstarter or Go Fund Me, perhaps? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choppinlt Posted June 18, 2020 Author Share Posted June 18, 2020 I tried a Kickstarter in 2015 and it failed. Perhaps my biggest takeaway was that people needed to see the game in action before they would consider funding it....but a lack of initial funding prevents development of a tangible prototype. Though I am having various conversations on contracting for a prototype, so I may revisit crowdsourcing before this is all over. I will add that while this project has been in limbo, it feels like I am only a step or two away from development. I have met and talked to a lot of names in the war gaming business who have been quite helpful, to include the guys here at BFC. So all of this will be helpful once the dam breaks on getting a developer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snarre Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 ok , thanks for answer. hoply you find person ho do programming. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choppinlt Posted June 23, 2020 Author Share Posted June 23, 2020 Thanks, i hope we find someone too! I will clarify that I have found several developers willing to do this. But the key is to find the right developer, at the right price, at the right time. So it is that combination that has been difficult thus far. Feel free to check in at any time, as you can see I do monitor this thread. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) I think you need to have a programmer on board who will work on this project as a hobby - at least until you can present something tangible. Look at how the mod teams for many games are putting in a lot of hours just out of love for the game. Not very helpful, I know Edited July 7, 2020 by Bulletpoint 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choppinlt Posted July 8, 2020 Author Share Posted July 8, 2020 Yes, but do you know where I can find one of those? I had a local dedicated programmer for this project....and then life get's in the way! I have been doing a lot of searching lately in particular. I have gotten plenty of interest, but finding the person with the right skills, motivation and perhaps most importantly price has been elusive. But the search goes on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agusto Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) Hi, i wasnt aware of this project until now and i havent read through all the posts, but i ve always wanted to make an operational level war game. So just that i get it right: you want that operational level UI + a parser that generates tactical battle .btt files that can be loaded into CM + load the result of the tactical battle from the saved game to the operational layer and the current state of affairs is that you have some prototype (code base or just mock ups?) but it's not finished yet. Is that right? How far have you gotten into this? What technology do you use (Unity?), whats the budget and how many are currently working on this? Is it open source and is there a github repo for this or do you want this to be a commercial product (if yes: who would be your customers and why would they buy your product)? I mean if you dont have to do game mechanics for resolving tactical battles bc you use CM as external provider for that, at least at first glance it pretty much comes down to a parser with a UI with the biggest planning risk being the lack of an API for this by CM so you kinda have to hack it (reverse engineering can be a major pain in the a**). I probably cant offer you commercial level effort bc i have already have a job, kids and education in progress but hey, corona killed all my hobbies so why not give this a shot at least until we are allowed to go outside again? Summer months are also usually 3 months were i just work and education is paused and a working prototype should be doable within a reasonable time frame. Edit: Ah i see you want a fully functional operational level game that goes beyond the UI + parser thingy suggested by Bulletpoint. Well that complicates matters a lot bc you ll have to track lots of information and code a somewhat credible tactical battle resolution (which is probably the hard part and very intensive in testing and research, probably harder than getting battles into CM) and i think it would be easier to first make Bulletpoints suggested counter-pushing variant as first alpha and then add your own tactical battle resolution algorithm later on. Anyways how far have you gotten wrt coding this? Edit: How will maps for CM battles exported from your game be generated by the way? Use a pool of pre existing QB maps that fit the hex by a range of attributes or do you want them to be procedurally generated from hex attributes? The latter would again be very hard work to do properly. Edited December 12, 2020 by agusto 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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