MikeyD Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 I'm susprised there's so little mention of Stuart, canister and bocage fighting with the upgrade. Maybe its because we haven't changed fighting styles to take advantage of it yet. Nobody thinks to purchase Stuart as an infantry support weapon. But apparently German infantry was as frightened of Stuart as of Sherman. The combination of speed, maueverability and the shotgun round earned Stuart respect. One additional thing (not in the game) is many Stuarts mounted a steel deflector plate in front of their bow mg so they could drive over foxholes and shoot straight down into them. Infantry support in a Stuart was almost as up-close-and-personal as using a bayonet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowMotion Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 I saw Stuart's canister round for the first time this week when playing a scenario. I wonder if it's the only tank in CMBN that has it? I remember some Soviet tanks had it in CMBB. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Balboa Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Yes!! Thanks for reminding me, I'll have to make a version of busting the bocage and swap out some Sherman's with Stuarts 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 I've always thought the Stuart was a good little close support platform, but often would rather have some standoff HE, so buy a Sherman instead, or need too much of my armour budget to get 76s to counter kitties. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 womble, The Stuart has a perfectly adequate HE round. It's frag and blast footprint isn't huge, but it is just fine for killing all sorts of annoyances on the battlefield. SlowMotion, In CMBB, T-34/76 and lesser tanks had canister. Not sure about the T-34/85, but I doubt it. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverstars Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Also, the Greyhound uses canister with it's 37mm cannon as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted December 28, 2012 Author Share Posted December 28, 2012 After much debate it was decided the evidence pointed to Britain shipping is entire stockpile of lend-lease 37mm canister to the Asian theater. A couple socondary citations to that fact, combined with zero anecdotal evidence that it was used in Normandy by the Brits. You'd figure all those combat accounts the Brits would mention blasting the jerries with a shotgun round. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 I've had canister used in several recent games, and it does indeed tend to demoralize the guys on the receiving end, even though I've yet to see it cause a lot of casualties. The one drawback to using it is that it is a relatively short range weapon, meaning that you have to get within range of handheld AT weapons. Not such a big deal in bocage where you are in any case, but in more open country you have to think more about hiding places for 'Schrecks and the like. In situations like those, you might want to have some WP-firing Shermans around too. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 womble, The Stuart has a perfectly adequate HE round. It's frag and blast footprint isn't huge, but it is just fine for killing all sorts of annoyances on the battlefield. It's not as fine for that purpose as 75mm HE, nor, indeed 105mm HE. Unsurprisingly. Nor is it as quick a light armour killer (though the 37mm penetrates well, its behind-armour effects aren't as conclusive as 75mm). You know all this. Why are you saying the 37mm compares well with 75mm? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Why are you saying the 37mm compares well with 75mm? Where die he say that? I went back and reread the post and couldn't find that statement anywhere. Of course it isn't as powerful as a 75 mm or larger round. But it will take out an MG or mortar and it will kill and suppress infantry. I know that for a fact because I have used it that way. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Where die he say that? I went back and reread the post and couldn't find that statement anywhere. Of course it isn't as powerful as a 75 mm or larger round. But it will take out an MG or mortar and it will kill and suppress infantry. I know that for a fact because I have used it that way. Michael "perfectly adequate" Terribly subjective terms. But inarguably, it's not as "perfectly adequate" as 75mm. Sure it can, eventually, do what you say; so can 20mm autocannon, or another mortar or MG, but not as quickly or as surely as a 75mil will. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanir Ausf B Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Explosives in CMx2 are so lethal I have found the even the smallest caliber to be very effective. 37mm will take a few more rounds to get the job done, but it will do the job. The high rate of fire makes up for the lower blast. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Williams Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Also, the Greyhound uses canister with it's 37mm cannon as well. Yes, I was going to point this out. I've always loved the Greyhound and now I love them even more! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfhand Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 I'm susprised there's so little mention of Stuart, canister and bocage fighting with the upgrade. Maybe its because we haven't changed fighting styles to take advantage of it yet. Nobody thinks to purchase Stuart as an infantry support weapon. But apparently German infantry was as frightened of Stuart as of Sherman. The combination of speed, maueverability and the shotgun round earned Stuart respect. One additional thing (not in the game) is many Stuarts mounted a steel deflector plate in front of their bow mg so they could drive over foxholes and shoot straight down into them. Infantry support in a Stuart was almost as up-close-and-personal as using a bayonet. Even prior to v2.0 stuart's were in my bag of tricks... but the canister shot is quite impressive and a very welcome addition. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus Sertorius Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 I've become quite fond of the various German AFV's with 20mm guns. They have gobs of ammo (both AP and HE) and fire very, very quickly. The 234 is tough to take out even with a .50 cal. as long as you keep the front pointed in the right direction. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 Quintus Sertorius, What you say regarding the Germans' 20mm is true when they're shooting at me, in which case, they eat everything smaller than a tank for breakfast. If I'm shooting from one, even with a Target command in place, I get one, maybe two bursts if I'm lucky. No idea why, but that's how it is. Good luck! Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBF Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 I just played a Quick Battle with a Canadian Recon unit of Stuart III's. No canister rounds. Are canister just with the U.S. Stuart's? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted January 2, 2013 Author Share Posted January 2, 2013 Canister is just for U.S. Stuarts and Greyhounds. Great Britain apparently got some 400,000 canister rounds delivered as lend-lease aid but shipped the whole lot to the far east to fight the Japanese. At least according to the sources that could be scrounged. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBF Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Thanks MikeyD- good to know. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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